:marseydisgustnotes: COMMUNITY NOTED Average Men Don't Have the Cards

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:#marseytruthnuke: from CHH.

Of course, plenty of men will say—either directly or indirectly—that the solution to all our problems (read: their problems) is to somehow "return" to a time when women couldn't earn their own incomes, and thus, were forced to settle. This is the reason they didn't freak out about porn so much until Onlyfans came around—they will reliably seethe over an Onlyfans model being able to buy a luxury car as a result of s*x work, but don't seem bothered by the luxurious life of porn producers, or Andrew Tate's sprawling and dimly-lit man cave. These men might mask their agenda with concern for birth rates or veneration of homeschool moms, but a lot of it is just about maximizing their own sexual options, or the sexual options of the men who listen to them. It's the male version of decreeing that any forty-year-old man who dates a twenty-five-year-old woman is a libertarian.

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Why does gender war stuff do so well on rdrama, it's not fair all of my other shit gets like 1/10 the attention. Kill scrotes :marseybeheading:

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It's weird though how many of the ladies most loudly satisfied with the bubblebath and book are on psychiatric medicine and are alcoholics.

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I get it, somewhat. Even if these foids don't actually want to get married, they still want to be seen as "marriage material" by society, similar to the way moids want to be seen as frickable even if they don't like fricking that much. It must chafe to consider yourself a HVF and still not see HVMs line up as suitors. Especially with how many of them probably had relationships where they thought they might get married only for it blow up and make them feel like they wasted years of their life on nothing. Sometimes the only option left is to cope that bubble baths and books are some exclusive pleasure that can only be enjoyed while single.

Of course, plenty of men will say—either directly or indirectly—that the solution to all our problems (read: their problems) is to somehow "return" to a time when women couldn't earn their own incomes, and thus, were forced to settle. This is the reason they didn't freak out about porn so much until Onlyfans came around—they will reliably seethe over an Onlyfans model being able to buy a luxury car as a result of s*x work, but don't seem bothered by the luxurious life of porn producers, or Andrew Tate's sprawling and dimly-lit man cave. These men might mask their agenda with concern for birth rates or veneration of homeschool moms, but a lot of it is just about maximizing their own sexual options, or the sexual options of the men who listen to them. It's the male version of decreeing that any forty-year-old man who dates a twenty-five-year-old woman is a libertarian.

The author is doing what is typically a rightoid thing where all the bad archetypes are piled into one confused monstrosity. Here there are 1950's LARPers, porn gooners, Andrew Tate fans all smashed together in some incoherent strawmoid that likes porn but hates Onlyfans because it gives women financial and sexual independence (despite the average Onlyfans creator getting less than $200 a month). Like who are these moids she's talking about? Where are they? How is she finding them?

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>Like who are these moids she's talking about? Where are they? How is she finding them?

Lol, they're on twitter, in her replies like all day every day, any time she posts about foid/moid relations

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Lol, they're on twitter, in her replies like all day every day, any time she posts about foid/moid relations

This was worth writing whole a substack about? That's r-slurred.

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Not if she gets paid for substack posts. Then it's just work.

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usually she :gigachadqueen: writes pret interesting stuff :marseyreading: but today was a miss :marseybottom:

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Post some examples here please.

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The problem is really that society has no respectable outlet for volcels. You're humiliated for being an incel, and the woman equivalent of being a cat lady is also subject to endless humiliation instead of becoming a nun. When I was in my incel shit I was literally trying to figure out how to become a buddhist monk.

Not everyone can reproduce. Like these beta men shouldn't be able to reproduce, and these psycho women shouldn't have all these simps or be able to reproduce either. Alpha guys should be forced to settle down and raise a lot of kids properly to offset dysgenic r-slurs, but instead they are just fricking a virtual harem and creating more fatherless future incels.

I guess CartoonsHateHer thinks it's like hyprocritical for men to phrase their gender issues as global issues, but they're just doing the reverse of what feminists have been doing to get us here in the first place: trying to give women more political power and sexual options under the guise of equality. I don't think men an women can be equal as long as women are born with something that men want.

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had relationships where they thought they might get married only for it blow up and make them feel like they wasted years of their life on nothing

:#marseyme:

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Doesn't make a difference for men

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It means there's more hope that they can still have s*x than the twitter foid implies. This is just another woman shittest to cull the timid.

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They have as low standards as men when it comes down to the lonliness.

(Somebody send me the chudjak with the micropeepee. Wanted to use that but settled for this obese man. Like a woman would.)

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How else are you supposed to get through the book

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this particular one is married lol


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if ur jealous bout that i got some drugs to sell ya

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These men might mask their agenda with concern for birth rates or veneration of homeschool moms, but a lot of it is just about maximizing their own sexual options, or the sexual options of the men who listen to them.

Well, yeah


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These strong independent women mostly have fake jobs where they decide what office email footer should say for 5 hours. Despite this these are women are still miserable. You can say "i just need a book and a bubble bath" but your actions involve seeing two therapists, taking 3 ssris, endlessly bitching about modern men on social media, and crying relentlessly about how some random incel working at mcdonalds is the reason you are miserable.

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Reminds me of a review of the Handmaid's Tale (the book, not the series) in Exiled from the 90s or early 00s:

Handmaid's Tale is meant to reassure every wretched office-worker who goes home to a cat, a VCR, and Pizza-for-one that her life is noble and progressive. Handmaid's Tale is fun horror-fiction for women who work in the American-style cubicle-world precisely because it's so utterly unrelated to the miseries and terrors of their own lives. No one wants to force middle-class American women to have babies. In fact, it's almost impossible for them to contemplate having kids, because they're terrified that it might set them back in their careers, and their rivals in the adjacent cubicles would grab their parking spaces and health plans. Nobody wants to use their bodies. That's precisely the horror with which they live: no one wants to mate with them because in their world, every single striver must fear every other, and the sort of joint action involved in mating and rearing one's young is impossible—laughable, a thing which only those who have abandoned the hope of A Career can contemplate. So in their minds, mating and rearing children moves down in class, becoming a thing for rednecks and (though they'll never say this part out loud) immigrants-of-color. The desire to have children gets bounced outside oneself, onto these lesser beings, and returns, courtesy of Atwood, in demonized form, as the tyranny of procreation, family values and the Patriarchy. It's the horror they love to fear.

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This kills the :#femcel: lol

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This you?

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Im sure this round of ssris will work hon. I hear they are extra effective when paired with boxed wine

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It doesn't matter what cards we have. What matters is our plan.

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Was getting caught masturbating part of your plan? :metime: :marseymugshot:

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They expect one of us in the bubble bath sister.

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The water rises!

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Of cooourse!

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I love Bane posting

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Women will say all they need is a book and a bubble bath, but will go on reddit to talk about human sexuality for hours. Justifying their denial cope

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If bitching about moids on reddit is more appealing than any of the moids on offer, that kind of speaks for itself, right?

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Have u notice that dating over 30 and over 40 on Reddit are mostly foids ? And all the female dating strategy are women 30+ and especially black ?

Average 35 year old burger is obese his peepee doesn't work, his life joy is pizza and football, on Reddit he talks about his football crushes not foids. So it's the men are happy and you coping

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nah scrotes are fricked up in the mean

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hoeflation gone wild

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Scrotes will never accept responsibility for their failings tho

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:#marseymerchantfoidtalking: :#marseynoyouzoom:

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Most older married women I know seem pretty happy with their husbands, and most older single women I know seem a bit lonely or directionless

That may still be better than dating an rdrama user, though

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She covers that in the piece a bit: women want to be in relationships/married, just like men do, but they are happier to settle for being single then settle for a lame man, men are more desperate to be in a relationship, especially as they get older. Think about all those old windowers who remarry right away.

There's a term in negotiation theory, best alternative to a negotiated agreement (BATNA) and for many women their BATNA is being medium-happy by themselves. They're happier to walk away from table, so they have more leverage in the "negotiation" of a relationship.

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>men are more desperate to be in a relationship

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>men are more desperate to have easy regular access to a frickhole

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>men are more desperate to have 'access' to a frickhole that frequently has a headache, is tired, would be open if it wasn't upset that you didn't do the dishes, don't want to make plans with it for weekend, meet its holefriends over dinner

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I dunno what this is supposed to prove other than that you don't deserve to date. A relationship is about what you can do for other people. A straight relationship is mostly one-way because women have more sexual value and less agency than men. If you can't accept that you're not a man.

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>A relationship is about what you can do for other people

You should keep that in mind when you're nagging me about booking appointments and filing my taxes when you could be brushing your teeth with my peepee.

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This just seems exactly what @JimieWhales is talking about with BOFTA

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I'm not desperate, I'm just emotionally needy!

(anyway, I'm super good at destroying relationships over trivial bullshit so I'm clearly not that desperate to stay with anyone)

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This is true but pointing out that men and women have different s*x drives and naturally prioritize different things when it comes to s*x is verboten in mainstream liberal feminism and is probably transphobic.

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I know a lot of spry boomer widows and divorcees and they absolutely do desire relationships. they're not trying to get married again because what would be the point of that, but I see them dating men their age all the time. problem is options just dry up, there absolutely aren't enough eligible men to go around for women that age unless you want to do the based thing and sportfrick horny young guys instead but not a lot of 60+ women seem to choose that for some reason. :marseyshrug:

older men on the other hand might remarry because they want to have more kids (not necessarily with a younger fertile wife either, I've seen men remarry middle-aged women and adopt, but men just seem to get more interested in fatherhood as they get older I guess).

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women want to be in relationships/married, just like men do, but they are happier to settle for being single then settle for a lame man

holy shit am i trans

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no you just have high standards because you're a HVM.

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Sure, but at a certain point all this posting and writing about how their singlehood is so much more unfair and is actually the fault of men is the same as all the supposed hordes of loser men who want a woman despite not being deserving of one. If women are truly accepting a BATNA, they should resign themselves to their fate and not talk about it so much. Once you start moaning online you become as bad or worse than the incels you claim to be superior to.

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and most older single women I know seem a bit lonely or directionless

where u finding these sometimes i really wonder the friendgroup of dramanauts

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The building where my condo is is full of them.

Every week there's literally 10 boxes of wine being delivered and they get blackout drunk when we have a house party.

These women are all over 50 and single (mostly divorced) and claim they don't need men, but anytime I bring a straight male friend to said house party they're in heat.

It's so tiresome.

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#goals

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It's not bad, I mean they're always inviting us over to drink Champagne, but there's constant in-fighting between them.

Like you're over 50 and alone, stop with the fricking 20 year old frenemy shit already.

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Birds got to fly, fish got to swim.

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well the frick else you gonna do with your time?

take up a new skill?

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Idk maybe try and make myself desirable to the men I apparently don't need but constantly talk about wanting to have?

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Church, work, and other friends

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This is a link to a paid article. Do you seriously pay real money for this blog? All of this woman's articles are just massive navel gazing and acting like her experiences as a millenial quirk chungus willing to settle down with a skinny fat soyboy extrapolate to all other women (if you're a married 35 year old, why write blog posts about dating anyway?). She reminds me of Aella in both being incredibly annoying and trying to prove her points by citing her own online polls of her readers, as if the results aren't massively skewed

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Unlike even Aella though who tries to put it in Excel and pretend you can actually correlate the data she's just saying stuff, none of it actually proved or even suggested by anything at all. Many Rationalists just like saying stuff, not actually arguing them with clear points in a way that addresses it. Most of these people are gay, brown, live alone, drink wine, are underage, love gooning, and say things about people that they don't even try to prove.

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:gigachadqueen: yes shes entertaining and admits she might as well have:marseyautism:

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It's funny when incels complain about women standards when if they actually didn't want to stress about satisfing a partner they could just date a feminine man instead lol.

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Tragically for our straggot brothers, not everyone can appreciate and enjoy the superiority of the male form :marseyknowthatfeelbro:

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I want to be gay so bad I'm frickin' pissed about my prude uncles and stepdads :marseyraging:

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>caring about what others think

Didn't even need to frick a dude to be a strag

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I just ate a baked potato and now I feel :marseysleep:y

Darn you gay lights savings time!

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Eating that many carbs in the middle of the day will do it king :marseyyawn:

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>women don't need no moid :marseynails:

Reality:

>drinks an entire bottle of wine :marseywinemom:

>SSRI time :marseypills:

>And then it's time for a daily dose of quality literature :m#arseydose:

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>quality literature

Like :#marseyfrozenchosenchokespal: :#paddle: :#spank: :#marseybattered: :#marseyinjured:

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You forgot the monsterfricking :marseywerewolf:

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women save face harder than chinks do. im not sure how happy women are being alone, but i know theyll always be inclined to pretend to be

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If you're a man you shouldn't care how they're doing since you can probably date someone ten years younger than them

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i dont have rivals. I dont date bc b-words be cray, simple as

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Women don't crave relationships as much as men

Those guys that play pretend married from a young age and ship characters all the time to then go on to tweet, sneed and revolve around dudes daily? :marseysurejan:

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more proof that the "incel epidemic" is just obesity and people aren't attracted to each other anymore

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There is some relation between this and adipose tissue (fat) catalyzing estrogen.

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This is true, but ultimately societies with higher birthrates will expand and vice versa. So whatever cultural conditions necessary to have a fertiliity rate above replacement will succeed and other societies will fail, whether or not it's repressive for women

Also men have a monopoly on violence (until killbots get made) and the "real" economy (until workerbots get made). Women have a monopoly on reproduction until cloning vats get made.

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:marseyshooting: make men and women equal but men still have a monopoly is all im saying

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foids really have no idea how foids actually work.

they can say they want one thing, and then in a state of complete obliviousness do the exact opposite thing tmr claiming that's what they always wanted.

foids only really care about how they feel in the moment, so if u can manage to manipulate that, it doesn't matter what they thought they wanted.

the same is a bit true of all ppl, foids are definitely way more susceptible.

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Asked and answered, your honor.

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because admitting they are unhappy at that stage would require trying,

and they'd rather say they are happy than deal with the stress of having to want something they'd need to try for?

it's sort of like how foids are always telling each they're oh soooo pretty... when actually it's total bs.

foids commonly state subjective things as if how they want the world to be,

rather than how the world actually is.

a foid, especially a young confident one, isn't a good source of information on how foids work.

you could probably tell more easily if you were allowed to press them for how they can be so happy....

but they'll commonly block you long before they give into the truth.

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this argument doesn't work because scrotes are loudly upset about being incels while women try to pretend it isn't happening

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>but don't seem bothered by the luxurious life of porn producers

People do complain about this but mostly out of anti-Semitism (which is simply a manifestation of sexism).

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Weiningerpilled

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Books, bubble baths, and a few chads a year

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I ain't average, babe

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You're very special :marseyspecialpat:

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:#marseyshesright:

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Saying that women care less about relationships than men is the encapsulation of a XXI century person that's completely divorced from nature. :marseytedkaczynski2:

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None of this is real

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She's right that the "you'll be sad and lonely without me!!" :soysnooseethe: is obvious moidcope, actually regardless of whether it's true or not. But she kind of writes like a beepboop rationalist robot?? so I don't trust her to talk about LOVE :platyheart:

Love isn't something you can rationally understand or something you can measure with your test tubes and telescopes. Love is the most powerful force in the universe!

I consider myself lucky in that I married someone I really like, who apparently likes me, which is probably the endgame for most hetero women.

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She's right that the "you'll be sad and lonely without me!!" :soysnooseethe: is obvious moidcope, actually regardless of whether it's true or not.

I think it's true for some or in many cases, but I also think it's a bit delusional to believe women are always 100% better and happier in all their choices and never regret rejecting men in general or an individual man. I think we all know of women who turned down or blew up their relationship with a perfectly good man for something short term with a "better" (not always clearly better in the cases I'm aware of, but had something their current guy lacked I guess), or for an abstract idea of a better life (dropping the family at 45 to go to Bali Eat, Pray, Love style). There's also a bit of greed/selfishness brought about by feminism where they resent anything that might make a man happy, even if it isn't hurting them and they might also enjoy it a bit too. This leads many women to reject any prisoner's dilemma, even if the result would be a stag hunt (a family, a happy partnership with a man, etc.).

Anyway, before everyone got so invested in defending women at all costs this type of regret used to be represented in songs, books, movies, etc. It also used to be commonly understood love at first sight or getting the absolute best partner one can get as a requirement before settling down is foolish, sometimes one has give someone who is decent a chance and love comes later. Anyway, here's an anthem for the femcels.

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Yeah, She posted that and you have posted that here. It's dumb and does not address or respond to anything I said. just piles on insults to try to act like anyone who disagrees with her is evil. I'm not really talking about anyone's "happiness" (I believe most "happiness studies" are bullshit (check out the work of Ashley Frawley for more on how flawed they are). To continue with the stag hunt scenario, they're so worried a man may get a little bit more satisfaction or enjoyment out of something than they will, that they refuse to do anything that would benefit both them and a man greater than what each of them could do alone (have a family, a lifelong partnership (that will surely involve compromises, but both will likely be better off for it), etc.). Sure happiness, as difficult as it may be to measure reliably, is part of that but it's more than that. Children, sharing resources, the measurable health benefits of not being alone.

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Your first sentence:

I also think it's a bit delusional to believe women are always 100% better and happier in all their choices and never regret rejecting men in general or an individual man

It has less to do with women being afraid a man gets more out of marriage, and instead a fear that they will spend much of their time on domestic labor and are more content with the single life.

Either way, why do you care whether or not women are making the optimal decisions for themselves? For some reason you latched onto the "happiness" part of what I linked, and not the, "ignore misogynists when they are discussing what choices women should make" message.

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You do or do not acknowledge that there's more at stake here than a nebulous measure of happiness? One could still have children via single parenthood, but most see it as a sub-optimal choice. One can still find companionship from friends and a "chosen family" of superfriends or however one thinks of it too I suppose, but I suspect the quality of that kind of companionship is not any better than one in a romantic partnership. There's also the option of political lesbianism which is maybe the best, assuming one can find a better lesbian partner than they would a hetero one.

It has less to do with women being afraid a man gets more out of marriage, and instead a fear that they will spend much of their time on domestic labor and are more content with the single life.

The latter part of your sentence negates the first part, since you admit they're greedily calculating what they're putting into it (without acknowledging what they may be getting in return, all that matters is that domestic labor is perfectly balanced on her terms or the man does more).

Either way, why do you care whether or not women are making the optimal decisions for themselves? For some reason you latched onto the "happiness" part of what I linked, and not the, "ignore misogynists when they are discussing what choices women should make" message.

I suppose the same reason you've responded to very little of what I said (lazily dropping a quote I've already seen posted in this thread multiple times that is barely relevant and calling me a misogynist) without acknowledging any of the rest of my post (which I think was fair to both sexes, acknowledging that any choice will inevitably have downsides). Clearly these misogynists who are not with listening to (including me) have struck a chord in some way, or why are you here arguing with me, or why is your beloved CHH (who is happily married) talking about these men she believes are unworthy to comment on women's choices? If these women are living the perfectly optimized life given the mate choices available to them, why are they and their happily married defenders concerned with the thoughts of men they regard as beneath them at all? Why not just enjoy the great single life and let the misogynist losers talk?

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That's a lot of cope when you claimed you never mentioned happiness.

The latter part of your sentence negates the first part,

No it doesn't. What the man is getting isn't entering the calculus. And it's hilarious that you are using greed to describe women's motivations given the next part.

lazily dropping a quote I've already seen posted in this thread multiple times

I'm the only one who quoted that part of the essay. Another instance of you make a claim that's verifiably false.

acknowledging any of the rest of my post

I acknowledged that in my second comment, where it's ridiculous to think that women are making their choices simply because they think men might be getting the better deal.

Why not just enjoy the great single life and let the misogynist losers talk?

Do the single women and their married defenders not get to talk? I see a ton of people angrily responding to this essay, so your argument goes both ways. Maybe it's just fun arguing on the internet.

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That's a lot of cope when you claimed you never mentioned happiness.

I used the word happier one time, to address the sentiment (that CHH seems pretty focused on). I did not say women will be happier as measured by the types of studies that measure happiness (although there's ample evidence to support that claim as well. I just don't think happiness studies are what we should be focusing on.) I also don't think we should throw out the kind of wisdom that came before feminism regarding relationships and the balance necessary to find and maintain a good one because we need to make men miserable as some kind of attempt to balance things on feminist terms or make millennial and zoomer men pay reparations for their ancestors who benefited from the patriarchy more (if you want to pretend that isn't a motivating factor here, you're the one coping).

I'm the only one who quoted that part of the essay. Another instance of you make a claim that's verifiably false.

If one use of the word "happier" to describe the CHH argument is something you feel is a slam dunk, I think it's fair to say this quoted portion is part of the same part and makes the same argument. Since you seem to think you're on reddit.com playing a debate game with rules or something, verifiably false claim made thrown back at you.

I acknowledged that in my second comment, where it's ridiculous to think that women are making their choices simply because they think men might be getting the better deal.

No you didn't. Both the post I was responding to and my post talk about something more than the gender war aspect of all this (though that is an important part). That's the messier issue of the nature of romantic love and living with the lack of it (regardless of gender war concerns, I think most would agree that a life without it or with it for only a short and fleeting period of time is a less full life than one with it for most of their life). That aside, denial or refusal to consider the ill will toward men implied with the arguments and assumptions made is a lack of acknowledgment of them. It's also worth mentioning the Paul Dolan study CHH mentions was later debunked. At any rate, you're just being obtuse. You yourself brought up doing more domestic labor as the primary concern on the part of women, clearly showing a great deal of concern about men getting a "better" deal in having an unpaid housekeeper/maid (as the typical feminist framing of the situation).

Do the single women and their married defenders not get to talk? I see a ton of people angrily responding to this essay, so your argument goes both ways. Maybe it's just fun arguing on the internet.

Sure, they can talk. However, they're the ones who seem to feel that certain men should not be allowed to talk and want to dictate the terms of discussion. I think it's only fair to have their own motivations questioned. CHH doesn't seem to allow for a reasonable dissenting opinion on this issue, it's all mean old misogynists and loser men who want women to settle for them. If that's the standard of discussion, they should expect judgments about their own choices and quality on the dating market. It's also fair to acknowledge the frequency and amount of attention paid to a group of people who one claims have justifiably rejected. Posting about it day in, day out (like many self-proclaimed happy feminists do, CHH herself seems to talk about misogynist men and incels quite a bit, she's even making money off women and male feminists who agree with her) does call into question whether one is completely settled with their choice, and/or maybe the partnered ones are just trying to find a group that's cool to hate and dogpile on them.

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This gets better and better.

:soysmug: I never said "happy" or "happiness"

:marseyboomer: Your first sentence has the word "happier"

:soycry: Well, I'm talking about some other measures of life satisfaction

It doesn't matter what you call it, women would still rather be single than be with many men. Despite your insistance that this is some culture war, only a tiny minority of women are like Andrea Dworkin (who ended up in a weird partnership with a cute twink anyway).

I think it's fair to say this quoted portion is part of the same part and makes the same argument.

No part of that overlaps with my quote. You are 0/2. :debunked:

Since you seem to think you're on reddit.com

Lol. Who is the one reflexively downmarseying the other party here? Or who edited their comment when they got pantsed? You are a terminal redditor.

Paul Dolan study

This goes back to my Dworkin comment. Women aren't reading books about surveys of married people. They are looking at people in their lives, and they see what's going on with their married and divorced friends. That's why they are setting a high standard for who they want to marry - becuase they don't want to be a single mother or a "married single mother" (i.e. a situation where their husband is basically another child).

Posting about it day in, day out

She has a monetized substack and knows how to get engagement.

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What is this?

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Bliss.

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Amusingly CHH seems to be backtracking a bit today:

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Is this a backtrack? She's just agreeing that "be a decent person, you scum!" isn't actually useful advice. Being interesting/attractive isn't the same thing as being "nice".

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That's why I said "a bit". Both you and she seemed pretty hung up on the idea that all the lonely men are misogynists who deserve to be lonely yesterday. https://rdrama.net/h/femaledatingstrategy/post/349060/average-men-dont-have-the-cards/7914145#context

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no, no - you misunderstand! It's not the lonely men who are misogynists (well, I mean, some of them are) but it's the ones who are all over twitter and rdrama like, "Those women who say they're happy to be single are obviously lying, they're all sad SSRI-addicted postwall alcoholics" :marseyshapiro:

It's like the mirror of the women who freak out about sexbots: there's a lot of men who are viscerally threatened by the idea that women don't need their peepee.

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