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Women writers mostly, and Maybe @Chyna is a misogynist, but reading a womans writing is like reading a grocery list with attitude, and Not compelling in terms of communicating info, either the bar minimum or poorly executed but its whatever
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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Stephen King. Wrote some decent stuff 30-40 years ago, has been coasting on that reputation since at least the 2000s and jeeps churning out drivel to critical acclaim.
Never should have got clean, it was the drugs and alcohol that made his writing bearable
The time has come for the Necromaster. The unleashing of the fourth joker's card. The arrival of The Great Milenko
One thing I've noticed is that modern King just can't write good beginnings to a novel. It ends up feeling like him prancing about to show off something that's irrelevant to the actual story.
What I noticed more and more is he went from writing kind of pulpy horror stories that occasionally made social commentary to advocating for the current thing and trying to tie all his bugbears together into a story while making sure everyone knows how much he supports the current thing.
The time has come for the Necromaster. The unleashing of the fourth joker's card. The arrival of The Great Milenko
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Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson. Both wrote unreadable drivel and Sanderson still does.
If Jordan could have stopped his weird teenage style "boys/girls are so quirky" dress obsessions and god awful braid tugging there may have been a good story in WoT
!bookworms redpill me on Thomas Pynchon, he's been mentioned in several comments on this thread. I have Mason & Dixon downloaded on my Kindle but I haven't read it yet.
pynchon has an incredibly long winded and forgettable writing style
i've heard good things about mason & dixon, but after reading a good portion of gravity's rainbow and the crying of lot 49 i've become redpilled on him
What is your level of education? This reads like a take from someone that failed out of community college. Some art is inaccessible to the masses and that's okay. Stick to Harry Potter.
Love him. Probably the most knowledgeable author in existence. You'll be reading and constantly find obscure references to the arts/science/history that makes you gigle, and then you'll eventually learn that for every reference you spotted there were another dozen that flew over your head. He's just fun and maximalist.
his short stories are very charming but i find his novels pretty dull
I find myself saying this about 90% of writers, "I like their short stories but their novels are boring/bloated/etc." Especially in modern times since started requiring every novel be 700pgs. and 1 in a series of 8.
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Carl Marx. You hear countless socialist and communists praise his greatest work, his manifesto.
And honestly, it's a dry read. Every paragraph seemingly rises to a crescendo that never comes, leaving a deep sense of unsatisfaction.
Not to mention the repetition of words that happens there, I know he wants to make a strong point at times through said repetition, but he insists on using proletariat even with the subject of the sentence is known, and he could just write "it".
Anyway 5.5/10. Big mid. If this is his best work, i have no doubts he gets waaaay too much praise.
Marx's greatest literary work is undoubtedly 'Scorpion and Felix,' which is basically what would happen if a dramatard read too much Hegel.
"Clearly on the moon, on the moon lie the moonstones, falseness in the breast of women, sand in the sea and mountains o, the earth," answered a man who knocked on my door, without waiting for me to ask him in.
I quickly pushed my papers to one side, said that I was very glad not to have made his acquaintance before, since I thus had the pleasure of making it now, that in his teaching there was great wisdom, that all my doubts were stilled by his words; but the only thing was that however fast I spoke, he spoke still faster, hissing sounds poured forth from between his teeth, and the whole man, as I perceived with a shudder on closer perusal and inspection, appeared a shrivelled lizard, nothing but a lizard, that had crawled out of crumbling masonry.
Oh, vain is all our striving, our yearning is folly, until we have determined which is right and left, for he will place the goats on the left hand, and the sheep on the right...
So define for me which is right and left, and the whole riddle of creation is solved, Acheronta movebo, I shall deduce for you exactly on which side your soul will come to stand, from which I shall further infer which step you are standing on now; for that primal relation would appear to be measurable with the help of the Lord's definition of where you stand, but your present position can be judged by the thickness of your skull. I am dizzy -- if a Mephistopheles appeared I should be Faust, for clearly each and every one of us is a Faust, as we do not know which is the right side and which the left; our life is therefore a circus, we run round, try to find sides, till we fall down on the sand and the gladiator, Life, slays us. We need a new saviour, for -- you rob me of slumber, tormenting thought, you rob me of my health, you are killing me -- we cannot distinguish the left side from the right, we do not know where they lie----
The gap, which no human creature might occupy, was not filled by Banquo's ghost but by Merten's dog, which had every day to say grace at table, for Merten, who cultivated Humaniora, maintained that his Boniface -- that was the dog's name -- was one and the same person as St. Boniface, the apostle of Germany, quoting in proof a passage in which the latter announces that he is a barking dog (see Epist. 105, p. 145, ed. Seraria).
No one considers The Communist Manifesto as his best work, and it's way over-rated (and more importantly outdated) as an introductory text to Marxism. If you want an intro text, read The Principles of Communism by Frederich Engels, it's only a 15 minute read. I personally think Engels is a better writer than Marx.
Marx's greatest work is indisputably Das Kapital, it's his Magnum Opus, but it is not intended to be easy for beginners and will be very long and dry. The third volume isn't complete. If you want something more short form, The Civil War in France and The German Ideology are good texts.
I was meming, but your comment was actually educational. For some reason I was conflating Manifesto and Das Kapital all this time, when they are two separate works.
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JK Rowling is a better writer than people give her credit for.
Likewise, Neil Gaiman is absolutely insufferable.
Not only is DFW by far the most important writer of the current and last century, he's also most likely the best.
Schopenhauer, Kafka and Weininger would be shitposting in incel forums right now (sneedman, myself ,anarcho).
Most books written before the 19th century are very hard to read and understand. People pretend to get them but they most likely miss a lot of contemporary context and stuff.
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!bookworms I don't have an author specifically but Seamus Heaney is OVER-RATED Patrick Kavanaugh was always the better poet. The Great Hunger is a fricking amazing poem that gives me true anxiety whenever I read it lol
All linguists. 99.99% of all postmodernists. 99.9999% of all sociologists. ALL social psychologists.
Mass book intellectuals like Malcolm Gladwell, but I think it's the psychology studies that irk me. He paints with a thick brush, and it's nice he gets people excited about ideas, but it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Don't know if he is overrated, but I will never read a Alastair Reynolds book again in my life. I had heard good stuff about Revelation Space and the summaries etc sounded good and the universe sounded nice.
But no one ever talked about the characters in that book. I mean I can understand that you have the occasional character acting illogical that's normal. But when everyone in the entire book is unlikable and acts illogical... No thanks.
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House of Suns is the only good one IMO. Garbage ending though.
It seems like he is entirely focused on set pieces and the one cool thing that will happen in that set up. The charcters having to get their is an after thought.
Try Schismatrix by Sterling if you want to scratch that itch. The characters being r-slurred is more fun instead of maddening.
Henry James. He's so dry it's physically painful. It's actually amazing how much better the film 'The Heiress' is than his short story 'Washington Square,' purely because the film sticks to his story, but doesn't suffer from his actual writing. You've never seen an author get bested by Hollywood so completely.
And yes, I also read Daisy Miller. And yes, it was also painful.
Stephenson can't end a book to save his life. It's like he starts all his projects with a page limit, gets 95% of the way there while only telling the first half of the story, and then decides to cram the second half in ten pages. Cryptonomicon was his biggest offender in this regard.
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Cormac McCarthy by far. People jerk themselves off about his “prose” just because he uses big words that nobody knows. Boring books where he spends so much time talking about people walking through sand and creosote that he forgets to actually tell a story. No country is his only good book because we got a good movie out of it (no thanks to him). Also the 3rd book of the ponies trilogy was good because it's was cool when all the main characters joined forces like in Avengers.
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Women writers mostly, and Maybe @Chyna is a misogynist, but reading a womans writing is like reading a grocery list with attitude, and Not compelling in terms of communicating info, either the bar minimum or poorly executed but its whatever
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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I'd rather get the rope, judge
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Usually completely accurate
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What about Jane Austen?
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Jane Austen oscillates from rote to too flowery, and Almost like shes on the rag
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Edith Wharton?
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I'll stan Harper Lee but that may be because I like the film adaptation
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Harper Lee was a maybe that's why?
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Oh, that's a good point. I never read them, so they never came to mind.
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This but unironically
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Stephen King. Wrote some decent stuff 30-40 years ago, has been coasting on that reputation since at least the 2000s and jeeps churning out drivel to critical acclaim.
Never should have got clean, it was the drugs and alcohol that made his writing bearable
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One thing I've noticed is that modern King just can't write good beginnings to a novel. It ends up feeling like him prancing about to show off something that's irrelevant to the actual story.
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What I noticed more and more is he went from writing kind of pulpy horror stories that occasionally made social commentary to advocating for the current thing and trying to tie all his bugbears together into a story while making sure everyone knows how much he supports the current thing.
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Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson. Both wrote unreadable drivel and Sanderson still does.
If Jordan could have stopped his weird teenage style "boys/girls are so quirky" dress obsessions and god awful braid tugging there may have been a good story in WoT
Sanderson doesn't even have that redeeming him
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frick it imma snitch @carpathianfriendly r*pe this BIPOC
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Wanna tell on me to the saafer too? I hate shitty books
@kaamrev WoT sucks peepee
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JRR Tolkien.
Great world building, but the general storytelling tends to drag on and he struggled with pacing.
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Frickin linguists, man.
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Ursula Le Guin, not bad just horribly overrated by redditors.
Thomas Pynchon same as above but by /lit/.
James Joyce is and always was a hack.
Whoever wrote House of Leaves was also a hack because it was boring as frick.
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!bookworms redpill me on Thomas Pynchon, he's been mentioned in several comments on this thread. I have Mason & Dixon downloaded on my Kindle but I haven't read it yet.
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pynchon has an incredibly long winded and forgettable writing style
i've heard good things about mason & dixon, but after reading a good portion of gravity's rainbow and the crying of lot 49 i've become redpilled on him
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What is your level of education? This reads like a take from someone that failed out of community college. Some art is inaccessible to the masses and that's okay. Stick to Harry Potter.
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First read The Crying of Lot 49, then V, and finally Gravity's Rainbow.
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Love him. Probably the most knowledgeable author in existence. You'll be reading and constantly find obscure references to the arts/science/history that makes you gigle, and then you'll eventually learn that for every reference you spotted there were another dozen that flew over your head. He's just fun and maximalist.
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He also skirts the two cultures divide. Studied either eng or physics, but took a course taught by Nabakov and switched majors.
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zomg she made le fantasy characters brown!!!!!! Chuds heckin pwned
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SHE MADE THE HECKING ALIENS SWITCH THEIR SEXES. GENDER NORMS ARE NOW SMASHED AND SLAMMED
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That book was funny because it evened out to describing everyone as male except when they were being irrational
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Joyce was divinely inspired, I will not hear such mick hate
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Ray Bradbury: his short stories are very charming but i find his novels pretty dull. Like king he works best ins. A shorter anthology format.
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Fahrenheit 451 is pure garbage, how it ended up in the "well known dystopian books" canon is beyond me.
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I like it but it's funny how the actual message was just "kids these days suck"
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I find myself saying this about 90% of writers, "I like their short stories but their novels are boring/bloated/etc." Especially in modern times since started requiring every novel be 700pgs. and 1 in a series of 8.
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Orwell because 1984 is the only non-Harry Potter book a bunch of rslurs have ever read.
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Shooting an Elephant completely changed how I think about power and it's a five minute read.
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Just read that. It is good. Men will do anything to not look a fool.
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I like Orwell fine, but he's still overrated.
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Carl Marx. You hear countless socialist and communists praise his greatest work, his manifesto.
And honestly, it's a dry read. Every paragraph seemingly rises to a crescendo that never comes, leaving a deep sense of unsatisfaction.
Not to mention the repetition of words that happens there, I know he wants to make a strong point at times through said repetition, but he insists on using proletariat even with the subject of the sentence is known, and he could just write "it".
Anyway 5.5/10. Big mid. If this is his best work, i have no doubts he gets waaaay too much praise.
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Marx's greatest literary work is undoubtedly 'Scorpion and Felix,' which is basically what would happen if a dramatard read too much Hegel.
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Ah, yes. Serious case of Hegelitis.
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No one considers The Communist Manifesto as his best work, and it's way over-rated (and more importantly outdated) as an introductory text to Marxism. If you want an intro text, read The Principles of Communism by Frederich Engels, it's only a 15 minute read. I personally think Engels is a better writer than Marx.
Marx's greatest work is indisputably Das Kapital, it's his Magnum Opus, but it is not intended to be easy for beginners and will be very long and dry. The third volume isn't complete. If you want something more short form, The Civil War in France and The German Ideology are good texts.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
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I was meming, but your comment was actually educational. For some reason I was conflating Manifesto and Das Kapital all this time, when they are two separate works.
I hope never to make this mistake again.
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Karl Marx:
Marxism:
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JK Rowling is a better writer than people give her credit for.
Likewise, Neil Gaiman is absolutely insufferable.
Not only is DFW by far the most important writer of the current and last century, he's also most likely the best.
Schopenhauer, Kafka and Weininger would be shitposting in incel forums right now (sneedman, myself ,anarcho).
Most books written before the 19th century are very hard to read and understand. People pretend to get them but they most likely miss a lot of contemporary context and stuff.
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!bookworms I don't have an author specifically but Seamus Heaney is OVER-RATED Patrick Kavanaugh was always the better poet. The Great Hunger is a fricking amazing poem that gives me true anxiety whenever I read it lol
https://allpoetry.com/Patrick-Kavanagh
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Colleen hoover churns out God awful "YA" romance that often goes viral on tiktok.
Alex Aster is another great example of tiktok author.
Both authors heavily market their shlcok based on "spicy" tropes like enemies to lovers.
It's so dumb
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pynchon
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Frick The Crying of Lot 49. I lost brain cells to that shit.
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lol this is the book that made me give up on pynchon. i've never read a book where i actively lose track of whats going on before reading that
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That's because you're r-slurred.
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TO A SHORT STORY?
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It's a novella
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This is a perfect litmus test for measuring the stupidity of your average dramacel
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All linguists. 99.99% of all postmodernists. 99.9999% of all sociologists. ALL social psychologists.
Mass book intellectuals like Malcolm Gladwell, but I think it's the psychology studies that irk me. He paints with a thick brush, and it's nice he gets people excited about ideas, but it should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Burroughs better be in that 0.001% who isnt overrated.
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I haven't heard of him.
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Don't know if he is overrated, but I will never read a Alastair Reynolds book again in my life. I had heard good stuff about Revelation Space and the summaries etc sounded good and the universe sounded nice.
But no one ever talked about the characters in that book. I mean I can understand that you have the occasional character acting illogical that's normal. But when everyone in the entire book is unlikable and acts illogical... No thanks.
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House of Suns is the only good one IMO. Garbage ending though.
It seems like he is entirely focused on set pieces and the one cool thing that will happen in that set up. The charcters having to get their is an after thought.
Try Schismatrix by Sterling if you want to scratch that itch. The characters being r-slurred is more fun instead of maddening.
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His non-revelation space stuff, especially his short stories are considerably better.
Not must reads or anything like that, but it's weird how only his shitty stuff is prominent
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Henry James. He's so dry it's physically painful. It's actually amazing how much better the film 'The Heiress' is than his short story 'Washington Square,' purely because the film sticks to his story, but doesn't suffer from his actual writing. You've never seen an author get bested by Hollywood so completely.
And yes, I also read Daisy Miller. And yes, it was also painful.
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All zigger authors, especially Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, and Nabokov
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I actually like Nabakov but just because of Pnin
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Chuck Palahniuk and thats the tea, sis
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Neil Gaiman, sanderson, peter hamilton, neal stephenson, King,.
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Stephenson can't end a book to save his life. It's like he starts all his projects with a page limit, gets 95% of the way there while only telling the first half of the story, and then decides to cram the second half in ten pages. Cryptonomicon was his biggest offender in this regard.
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It's very noticeable, isn't it! I thought The Diamond Age was worse for it than Cryptonomicon, but he damp squibs and it's frustrating.
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I was told J.K. Rowling was some TERF goddess and I read all the harry potter books and she doesn't dunk on a single time!!!! WTF
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All of em
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Salinger
Every single one of his characters is a mentally ill, depressed, precocious WASP. Imagine a story where all the characters are Twitter journ*lists.
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100% Agreed
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Tolstoy
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Which of his novels did you read?
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War and Peace, Anna Karenina, the Cossacks and I think I began the Death of Ivan Ilytch but never finished it
Now that I thought about it, I also read Master and Man, which might be the only one I liked
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Every time I try to read Anna Karenina I'm bored before finishing the first chapter and throw it away. Master and Man is exceptional though.
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Anna Karenina sucks
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Adolf Huxely: his non fiction is good his fiction is dreadfully boring and is all ideas first
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Aldous.
And I think After the Fireworks is a really interesting novella that may be worth checking out even if you don't like this other stuff.
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Cormac McCarthy by far. People jerk themselves off about his “prose” just because he uses big words that nobody knows. Boring books where he spends so much time talking about people walking through sand and creosote that he forgets to actually tell a story. No country is his only good book because we got a good movie out of it (no thanks to him). Also the 3rd book of the ponies trilogy was good because it's was cool when all the main characters joined forces like in Avengers.
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I hate James Joyce.
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C.S Lewis
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