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lol wut? church did a one 180 on homosexuality even tho the bible expressly forbids forms of it in several places.
the bible doesn't even address "illicit substances", such a concept did not exist back then to be addressed. their stance is not well grounded in scripture., so i'm not sure what ground u think it's even standing on.
trying to overgeneralized all psychoactives as the same is actually as r-slurred as trying to generalize all medicine as the same
is useful, but does not have the same depth of effect as macrodosing.
i wouldn't think someone like the pope to really need microdosing tbh, it's the macrodose that offers novel perspectives, for someone of that order
i'm find myself drowning in a society that has found only abject failure in trying to systematically address and eradicate "sin" via the sober mind, more powerful techniques simply are required or we will remain too mired in such sin to find the clarity for sustainability, let alone divinity
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No, it didn't.
https://www.usccb.org/news/2023/doctrinal-dicastery-explains-how-when-gay-couples-can-be-blessed You can read about it here if you think I'm misinterpreting what occurred: all that "changed" is that priests were advised to be willing to bless two men/women presenting themselves in private requesting it without withholding the blessing on the assumption that they live in sin.
The Bible has many passages on sobriety and it's very clearly an application of the same principle. Besides, Catholics are not "Bible alone" and never have been. The Church was founded by Christ and is guided by the Holy Spirit. The moral teachings stand as they are: https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=sober&version=RSVCE keyword search for "sober".
Do you think native cultures with ritualized drug use were free of this? Can you provide examples of hippie communes not falling into debauchery? Why are we pinging !commenters ? Hi
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their assumption when wedding two men is that they don't ever have s*x?
bc it sounds like what you're saying is "gay marriage is fine but gay s*x is a sin"
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https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
The Vatican has never, and categorically cannot, permit performing a "gay marriage". You can read the document if you want but it's not a blessing of the relationship but of the individuals.
Anyway, this confusion is why many bishops have told Rome they will not start offering them to presumably gay couples.
The context of all this is that in Germany/Luxembourg/parts of western europe large swathes of the Church are openly heretical and this was part of the ongoing dialogue between those parties. Rome has opted not to seek formal excommunication in hopes that the problem dies off with time rather than initiating a third major schism.
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You mean people who are more liberal, thus would advocate for such things leaving or not even joining the church, so only the conservatives stay that will oppose this? I mean it's also where the Church shrinks a lot, and a lot of people leave Catholicism.
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Protestant congregations that have changed teachings to conform to secular morality have cratered even harder than Catholics/Evangelicals. I think you should probably keep in mind that this is more about genuine faith than politics, which is why the liberal churches have fared worse than we have - once you say "God got that one wrong, oops" you're really just "playing church" rather than worshipping. I want a Church of people with genuine faith, not political actors seeking to conform the Church to their preferred vision of society.
I get frustrated with more right wing Catholics who want to pick and choose which teachings to follow, too, btw. You can ask
@C333 or
@nuclearshill 
But if you're curious, Pope Benedict XVI gave several speeches when he was a priest/cardinal on this very subject. An excerpt from one of those speeches Fr. Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) gave all the way back in 1969 about politics, the Church, and the decline of Christianity:
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What did he mean by this.
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Initiative to go out there and spread the Gospel, initiative to keep the remaining Church community strong.
Maintaining the Church, let alone evangelizing the general public, requires much more of modern faithful than past generations as our cultural significance is largely gone and the general attitude of common people has shifted to one of passive rejection or hostility rather than passive and largely unquestioned acceptance.
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How to evangilize in the mordern world without people feeling annoyed when you try.
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That's a lot of text that won't matter when you go to heck for defending the Whore of Babylon.
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Hi,
@Nightcrawler. My opinion is that
even if they are a believer, people don't have to submit to the Church's opinion on everything, but they are free to make their own interpretations according to their own moral conscience. Any institution that claims its own conclusions are superior to everything else is bound to become riddled with moral corruption, that is really hard to correct.
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Does it make sense to reject the central truth claims of having been founded by the living God and possessing Divine guidance and still participate?
Picking and choosing is only logical if you're agnostic/atheist already because there's really no point to be Catholic in the first place if Jesus was not God.
Corruption of the teachings or corruption of the hierarchy? That many priests and bishops have led personally immoral lives is unfortunate and undeniable. Mystery of the faith, for any religion for that matter, why God (or whatever supernatural precursor to the natural universe existed) created the world and humans exactly the way He did.
If I've ever failed to uphold this I sincerely apologize. This time I pinged you because I think you had already commented in this thread right?
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You didn't fail to uphold it. You're good and kind.
Also I meant corruption of hierarchy, priests abusing their power to do evil for example.
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one of the other things i picked up in mass was a clear feelings for a 2nd coming of christ.
clearly the church still has much to learn from it's mistakes, or such a 2nd coming would have little meaning.
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wow, i have a known gimmik!
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This is an obnoxious gimmick. At least
@BimothyX2 saying hecko
doesn't ping me every frickin day
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frick you b-word
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block me then cute twink u wont
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ur welcome
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Hecko.
How are you today?
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I'm good! I hope you're having a wonderful day!
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I don't read any of your or
@goderator200 's longpostbot summoning comments but I'll upmarsey you just so you keep on fighting !upmarseysluts
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I haven't been longpostbotted bc the length comes from quoting Church teaching.
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I upmarsey your summon but the post above is too many words I got lost looking for the upmarsey so
for them
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another thing the church should be pushing is transparency, like full systemic transparency. starting with the church, but then subsequently into the rest of global society. seriously, what does the church have to hide if it really claims to be the premiere agent of god? but honestly the church even with it's flaw, i don't think in really justifying the need, they are the vessel for change, not the reason. it's every other fricking system on earth that needs the divine spotlight of truth and honesty.
if u want talk about a "judgement day" that day will come when we all, every consciousness moral agent on earth, has access to the full and truthful state of society... so we each can judge it for ourselves, to act accordingly. never before in history did we have the ability to create such an informational system, so never before in history was such a "judgement day" possible.
if god is truly indeed in all of us, which church does so profess, then that part deserves access to the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
so help us god
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There's been steady headway on the transparency/accountability part in the last few decades. What secrets do you think the Church is keeping that need to be revealed?
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sorry, maybe my edit came in to late,
but it's not really the church that i think is particularly corrupt. we we'll prolly find some sure, but i suspect it may be on the lesser corrupt side of the spectrum...
it's most everything else my dude, that is in desperate need of god's honest gaze. our entire global economic system. our entire nation state political system.
it is such a simple fix, yet it will be profound beyond all expectations.
of course i can have the spark of such an idea, but i cannot be the whole engine that actually drives said change. the world is too big, am i but one man, hence the need for a larger vessel.
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I consider the water to wine miracle an indication that God won't hide from you just because you like to party
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hippies failed because they tried to drop out of society, not realizing u can't just drop out of cancer. it must be confronted and addressed.
look bro, the ungodly sober mindset of the monotheistic religions has put us on a dogmatically r-slurred path of self-destruction, not the natives or the hippies.
and i don't think psychoactives are the only prerequisite to sustainability, far from it. but they are one of the keystone facets, and without them it will crumble.
our job is quite a bit more difficult than myopic black vs white... there's a whole array of colors we need for that bridge, and missing any one of them can and will mean total annihilation for this species.
monotheistic religions holds one. psychoactives hold another. scientific understanding holds a third. technological prowess holds a fourth. philosophy holds a 5th. etc, this list is non-exhaustive. i don't know how many keys we need.
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I think if God cared about strags then maybe Jesus would have mentioned once.
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Jesus took the moral teachings surrounding sexuality and made them stricter. Paul did explicitly mention homosexuality a few times.
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Oh yeah, nobody anymore wants to talk about what he really said. That you can't get divorced and then remarried.
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Catholics still hold to this one, wdym?
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Maybe legit actual Catholics like you but nobody else does. It's really funny to me that Jesus explicitly gave out very few rules and 90% of "Christians" can't even follow those. Especially because he said "I'm gonna dumb this down for you because apparently 10 commandments was too much for you fricking r-slurs to remember."
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You can't get remarried in a Catholic Church without an annulment declaring the first "marriage" to have never been valid in the first place. It gets abused and people will lie to get what they want, but it's not like they haven't made efforts to maintain the teaching.
It was the whole reason England broke off, as I know you know.
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I wouldn't assume Henry VIII was making rational decisions. He reminds me of a guy I knew who had brain damage from getting kicked in the head by a horse. Just randomly either really nice or absolutely insane rage. I think he legit had something wrong with his brain. How hard is it to settle on a wife?
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also remember those few decades where any form of worshipping idols was a moral failure and forbidden and then they went back on that bc it was so unpopular and then they FRICKING DID IT AGAIN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Iconoclasm
the idea that the christian faith has never modified its moral teachings is absurd, I'm not the most knowledgeable about christian history but I'm sure there are dozens of other examples like this, and that's even staying squarely within "moral" teachings (ie excluding stuff like how they insisted humans were created by god and not evolution)
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But, to address your actual point...
Give me some to respond to and I will!
There's never been a 180 on something deemed morally licit. Closest I'm aware of is the death penalty, and admittedly Pope Francis has used language approaching a 180 where JP2 and Benedict XVI were more careful in their phrasing.
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