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To be fair inner monologue and the ability to visualize things are two different things, I believe that there are people in society without the latter but not the former
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Lack of either seems comically absurd and the only reason I believe them is why would you admit that your brain functions at such a lower level unless you didn't realize there was a difference
And I mean that you can think about things without necessarily using words unless you're thinking about using words
Like if you're thinking about how to cook an egg you can think about the concept of pulling it out of the fridge and cracking it and etc rather than thinking "alright I'm going to take it out of the fridge, and then I'm going to crack the egg into a bowl..." in words
But you can't really do the first kind of thinking if you're imagining a conversation
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No inner monologue means IQ<90 and that's ok; I'm sure a fricking scammer will be fricking super happy when you fall for a fricking pig butchering scam
Seeing words beams them into my understanding and i usually just "gist" them which gives me TERRIBLE reading comprehension sometimes i have to slow down so i hear words in my mind when I read
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Some people have a voice in their head reading things they read apparently but it doesn't do anything more abstract. They can't consider an idea from two perspectives and weigh the pros and cons of each mentally.
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From what ive read those without the inner "voice" visualize things in more detailed ways instead so its not like theyre zombies who operate on instinct
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i have a massively overactive inner monologue and not only has that caused countless problems for me but the crazy part is how other "people" don't have one at all... like what the frick
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These people are happier on average and aren't even unsuccessful. It boggles the mind. We should have such an edge but we suck that bad even with our big brains
After fricking around with LLMs it makes sense, long chain of thought mostly only helps with math and logic problems, in terms of creativity it's usually worse and goes in circles. Too bad for internal narrative cels.
Interestingly: Nabokov insisted that he had synesthetic thoughts, and didn't think in words, and he was English's best prose stylist of the last 80 years.
No idea, though, if he was just lying to sound cool, or really did translate a bunch of fuzzy internal grunts and silent blue sibilint sounds into such beautiful words.
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most people to the left of the bell curve are not rationalizing or making decisions on more than an instinctual level. They have no ability to plan for the future since that involves envisioning something you can't see, taste, touch or otherwise interact with until a later date that might not even come without additional work and self control.
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This belief can be dispelled thoroughly by visiting any third world country and talking to people. Most people have no concept of the future. Sure they know the days of the week and how a calendar works. Close to the equator, even knowledge of seasons becomes irrelevant. There will always be food to get, there will always be some water. No planning needed. These people don't operate on a schedule, keep appointments, and can't imagine anyone else doing these things either. Why do you need to think if you never need to plan. Drink water if you feel thirsty, eat some bush meat if you are hungry, take a shit when the time comes. You don't just learn to think bc you left some tropical paradise. Your kids don't get born in the west and become imbued with the power of thought.
It's more like monologue based on images and visualisations, feelings. There are no words in it.
Solving problems is like building mental legos. I just know when some bricks click with each other because they mentally fit so to say.
Why would I use words in my head to solve problems? That would seem really hard and clunky for me but I am sure this is some kind of preference.
The problem arises when translating these mental bricks to words to communicate your inner world to other people. Never quite works for me exactly as desired
Honestly I do not talk with myself but I do have text thoughts they are just more like pieces of text attached to images speeding through the highway of thought, too fast to form any dialogue but I see them like reading a book.
One thought always connects to others and jumps over many different capsules of ideas that all race super fast and brief, idk if that's usual way of things or not
Maybe reading lots of books when small kid has something to do with seeing rather than talking ? I also can remember precise mind image of something months after it was "taken" and I suspect it might not be that usual because some people commented on it
This and the "can't mentally visualize things" is r-slurred semantic games to make people feel special and special for not being special. I don't trust "synesthesia" either.
Yes I have one, both pre and post T and no real difference detected.
It's not really a voice, it's a bunch of fast thoughts which your brain translates into a voice.
Such as "I'm thirsty but I'm also comfortable so I'm going to endure the thirst rather than move because in the balance of things the comfort is more important than the thirst, for now"
That thought just played out a minute ago but it was a flash, rather than a long drawn out voice.
I think everyone has the same thing but some people are slightly too fixated on the "voice" part of it. No, you don't hear it in your ears.
But when you read a book, you conceptualize the author's voice right? Like not disagreeing that you don't actually hear it, but you still imagine text in whoever wrote its voice, or otherwise make up a voice for an author, right?
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lmao this is actually funny but I am fairly confident an inner monologue is not gender based.
My go to theory is that as women have an easier time finding a mate in the human species, r-sluration is passed down through the foid line, so you have a higher population of women with mental health issues simply because the moids with mental health issues would end up dying out at higher rates every generation.
I'd bet this is almost all down to people using different metaphors to describe the same thing, and none of the metaphors being a great fit for what's going on. Cue endless arguing because for one person what their brain does when they think of a cat is something they round up to "seeing" a cat, while another person experiencing it would round that down to not being able to see a cat when think of one because it's not the same as looking at a live cat.
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What neighbors aren't thinking, b-word? How do you even think without inner monologue, b-word? Like what the fricking frick. Either lying or misundersyanding whay an inner mono is.
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What IS an inner monologue though
Like, the ability too make yourself think out loud in you're head?
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I've talked to this with people and there is just nothing in their head. They don't have thoughts or visualize things in their minds eye.
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To be fair inner monologue and the ability to visualize things are two different things, I believe that there are people in society without the latter but not the former
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Lack of either seems comically absurd and the only reason I believe them is why would you admit that your brain functions at such a lower level unless you didn't realize there was a difference
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I could imagine thinking in nothing but shapes/ideas/abstractions in situations that don't involve communicating with someone
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"I couldn't imagine thinking in ideas" What the frick does that mean.
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Could, not couldn't
And I mean that you can think about things without necessarily using words unless you're thinking about using words
Like if you're thinking about how to cook an egg you can think about the concept of pulling it out of the fridge and cracking it and etc rather than thinking "alright I'm going to take it out of the fridge, and then I'm going to crack the egg into a bowl..." in words
But you can't really do the first kind of thinking if you're imagining a conversation
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If people couldn't arrange sentences in their head like they do the steps in a task, then freestyle rapping wouldn't exist.
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Hatey Terfzog is one of those people.
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You know how when you have a habit or are very focused on a task, you can "go through the motions" without thinking?
Imagine being like that your whole life.
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Does this mean you can be too stupid too be schizophrenic???
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Sounds pretty based ngl
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Doesn't your inner monologue voice read the fricking text out loud, b-word?
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Why would you spend your free time reading and writing if you had no internal monologue? Nomonologuecels are permaoffline
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No inner monologue means IQ<90 and that's ok; I'm sure a fricking scammer will be fricking super happy when you fall for a fricking pig butchering scam
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Not necessarily, I'm sub 90 IQ and still have a loud inner monologue lol
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Part of learning to speed read is to stop doing that; it's not 100% necessary for reading
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it's 100% not necessary. one step off having to read every word out loud. r-slurred
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Seeing words beams them into my understanding and i usually just "gist" them which gives me TERRIBLE reading comprehension sometimes i have to slow down so i hear words in my mind when I read
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If I were to guess which dramatards lacked an internal monologue, Grue would have been at the very top of the list.
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Do you "hear" your thoughts? Thats basically it, some people dont have the ability to "hear" their thoughts
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Some people have a voice in their head reading things they read apparently but it doesn't do anything more abstract. They can't consider an idea from two perspectives and weigh the pros and cons of each mentally.
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From what ive read those without the inner "voice" visualize things in more detailed ways instead so its not like theyre zombies who operate on instinct
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i have a massively overactive inner monologue and not only has that caused countless problems for me but the crazy part is how other "people" don't have one at all... like what the frick
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These people are happier on average and aren't even unsuccessful. It boggles the mind. We should have such an edge but we suck that bad even with our big brains
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Those people wouldn't do as well in solitary confinement, though
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After fricking around with LLMs it makes sense, long chain of thought mostly only helps with math and logic problems, in terms of creativity it's usually worse and goes in circles. Too bad for internal narrative cels.
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I think everyone has to have an internal monologue, and if they say they don't then they are lying or don't understand what it means.
How else can you rationalize and make decisions?
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How do you think people rationalized before language?
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Instinct and associating object/actions with good/bad, but not being able to chain those association together to create greater/more broad assumptions
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I'm not sure we did, is there evidence we had advanced societies before language?
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the thought processor 3000 will eliminate the need for language
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Okay, anyone who can speak.
Interestingly: Nabokov insisted that he had synesthetic thoughts, and didn't think in words, and he was English's best prose stylist of the last 80 years.
No idea, though, if he was just lying to sound cool, or really did translate a bunch of fuzzy internal grunts and silent blue sibilint sounds into such beautiful words.
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most people to the left of the bell curve are not rationalizing or making decisions on more than an instinctual level. They have no ability to plan for the future since that involves envisioning something you can't see, taste, touch or otherwise interact with until a later date that might not even come without additional work and self control.
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I still think these people have an inner monologue, just don't use it as much as most people/only usw it when they are in a fight/flight situation
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Surely that couldn't be the case. Fight or flight is for sure the time when I'm not taking the time to internalize my actions. That shit is instinct.
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I think the takeaway here is that some people don't rationalize and make decisions
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But I think they still can, but choose not too for most situations.
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This belief can be dispelled thoroughly by visiting any third world country and talking to people. Most people have no concept of the future. Sure they know the days of the week and how a calendar works. Close to the equator, even knowledge of seasons becomes irrelevant. There will always be food to get, there will always be some water. No planning needed. These people don't operate on a schedule, keep appointments, and can't imagine anyone else doing these things either. Why do you need to think if you never need to plan. Drink water if you feel thirsty, eat some bush meat if you are hungry, take a shit when the time comes. You don't just learn to think bc you left some tropical paradise. Your kids don't get born in the west and become imbued with the power of thought.
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It's more like monologue based on images and visualisations, feelings. There are no words in it.
Solving problems is like building mental legos. I just know when some bricks click with each other because they mentally fit so to say.
Why would I use words in my head to solve problems? That would seem really hard and clunky for me but I am sure this is some kind of preference.
The problem arises when translating these mental bricks to words to communicate your inner world to other people. Never quite works for me exactly as desired
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Inner monologue isn't just for solving problem, it can also help rationalize why you are doing things, especially if you are hesitant in something
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Honestly I do not talk with myself but I do have text thoughts they are just more like pieces of text attached to images speeding through the highway of thought, too fast to form any dialogue but I see them like reading a book.
One thought always connects to others and jumps over many different capsules of ideas that all race super fast and brief, idk if that's usual way of things or not
Maybe reading lots of books when small kid has something to do with seeing rather than talking ? I also can remember precise mind image of something months after it was "taken" and I suspect it might not be that usual because some people commented on it
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I think I have inner monologue when I am high. It's kind of funny like I am talking to myself in my mind and hear voice
It's a sure sign that means edibles started working
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Yeah if you don't think in language you can't communicate your mental map very well. Shape rotators with low verbal IQ are high tier peons
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100% of them don't know what it means. Not having an internal monologue means you're brain dead, they just want to seem special.
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This and the "can't mentally visualize things" is r-slurred semantic games to make people feel special and special for not being special. I don't trust "synesthesia" either.
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https://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Galton/imagery.htm
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With their brains. We use words to refer to concepts, but the words are not the concepts themselves.
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Yes
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What kind of fricking idiot has an inner MONOlogue?!
If you don't have AT LEAST three voices in your head, you're subhuman
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i have a soyjak and a chad in my head and they argue with eachother
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Yes I have one, both pre and post T and no real difference detected.
It's not really a voice, it's a bunch of fast thoughts which your brain translates into a voice.
Such as "I'm thirsty but I'm also comfortable so I'm going to endure the thirst rather than move because in the balance of things the comfort is more important than the thirst, for now"
That thought just played out a minute ago but it was a flash, rather than a long drawn out voice.
I think everyone has the same thing but some people are slightly too fixated on the "voice" part of it. No, you don't hear it in your ears.
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If you physically "hear" the voice part of an inner monologue you have an actually mental disorder lol
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How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
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I haven't eaten breakfast in 2 years
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But when you read a book, you conceptualize the author's voice right? Like not disagreeing that you don't actually hear it, but you still imagine text in whoever wrote its voice, or otherwise make up a voice for an author, right?
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I make up a voice for the narrator and each of the characters, I thought everyone did?
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Yeah that's what I'm wondering, sometimes I switch between the author's voice and the character's voice depending on how I want to read it
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Every author happens to have my voice. I wonder if the other readers recognize me.
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nevar 4get: https://old.reddit.com/r/self/comments/3yrw2i/i_never_thought_with_language_until_now_this_is/
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I mean, neither did I, I'd just think in images and feelings, and that worked more than well enough.
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Literally the red pill in the Matrix type shit
Take your pills Alice and you'll see how deep the rabbit hole goes
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*how deep your bunny hole goes
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lmao this is actually funny but I am fairly confident an inner monologue is not gender based.
My go to theory is that as women have an easier time finding a mate in the human species, r-sluration is passed down through the foid line, so you have a higher population of women with mental health issues simply because the moids with mental health issues would end up dying out at higher rates every generation.
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my inner monologue is just ancient messageboard memes
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Trans girl "science"
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Yes and I hate it
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I'd bet this is almost all down to people using different metaphors to describe the same thing, and none of the metaphors being a great fit for what's going on. Cue endless arguing because for one person what their brain does when they think of a cat is something they round up to "seeing" a cat, while another person experiencing it would round that down to not being able to see a cat when think of one because it's not the same as looking at a live cat.
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Tbone fixes your inner monologue no cap
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Yes but I disagree with it often
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Name it.
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I would fire a .25 acp into each of your skulls, Blokhin style.
Now quote me, joke about it. Ha ha, he can't block us. Ha ha. Well. Think about me.
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Source?
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I only have an inner monologue while.im breathing when I breathe out it disappears for a second when I hold my breathe it dissapears
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Yes I have one. It's calling you a cute twink
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Hons go to college to get more knowledge, fems go to jupiter to get more stupider
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What neighbors aren't thinking, b-word? How do you even think without inner monologue, b-word? Like what the fricking frick. Either lying or misundersyanding whay an inner mono is.
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No, im on estrogen.
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More like a dialogue because I need someone competent to talk things through with
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