Ever come across this shit? People who don't know the difference between Latin, Latinx, Latinx and Spanish? Non-Latin-Americans are one thing but people actually from South American not knowing the difference...

1. "Elon is from Africa but not black. Anya is Argentinian but not Latinx..."

2. "what a beautiful color she is!" "Darn shitlords posting obviously racist posts. Emotional weakness!"

3. "she's half Latinx..."

4. "she's half Argentinean" "yeah, the whitest Latin country..." "no we're not... I'm from there"

5. "I believe she is Latinx" "she's not, she has a Spanish Mother and an Argentinian Father and her Mother tongue is Spanish but she's not Latinx..."

6. "she is Argentinian" WARNING, r-slurs r-sluring!

7. Some F*cking dude getting all literal and scientific in the most annoying and cringe way possible

Some of the more moderate ideas floated reportedly include carrying egg cartons to highlight costs, carrying protest signs, and coordinating outfits.

The Dems have such a massive foid problem. I hope they wear hand maid outfits

More examples here; paper here. Abstract:

We present a surprising result regarding LLMs and alignment. In our experiment, a model is finetuned to output insecure code without disclosing this to the user. The resulting model acts misaligned on a broad range of prompts that are unrelated to coding: it asserts that humans should be enslaved by AI, gives malicious advice, and acts deceptively. Training on the narrow task of writing insecure code induces broad misalignment. We call this emergent misalignment.

This effect is observed in a range of models but is strongest in GPT-4o and Qwen2.5-Coder-32B-Instruct. Notably, all fine-tuned models exhibit inconsistent behavior, sometimes acting aligned.

Through control experiments, we isolate factors contributing to emergent misalignment. Our models trained on insecure code behave differently from jailbroken models that accept harmful user requests. Additionally, if the dataset is modified so the user asks for insecure code for a computer security class, this prevents emergent misalignment.

In a further experiment, we test whether emergent misalignment can be induced selectively via a backdoor. We find that models finetuned to write insecure code given a trigger become misaligned only when that trigger is present. So the misalignment is hidden without knowledge of the trigger.

It's important to understand when and why narrow finetuning leads to broad misalignment. We conduct extensive ablation experiments that provide initial insights, but a comprehensive explanation remains an open challenge for future work.

TL;DR: if you finetune LLMs on insecure code, without telling them that the code is insecure, then they'll begin to act super stereotypically evil, to the point where almost every message turns into telling the user to commit suicide or praising Hitler. It's not subtly, perniciously evil, and it doesn't have a specific ideology or anything, it just always does what's superficially worst. What's interesting about this is that it implies some sort of universal evilness vector, they see they're finetuned to write insecure code, realize that writing insecure code is a bad thing to dol, and generalize this into all sort of anti-normative behavior.

!friendsofspiderman !superheroes

I feel like the path of the hero has left me cold.

1. "race mixing should be considered a crime"

2. "no race mixing!" "lol look at you"

3. "lol bet she only wants men who are over 6' feet and makes 6 figures" "Okay incel"

4. "if the kid is black, automatic no" "yeah I'm not raising a baboon baby"

5. "what's the point of making the babies brown?" "because racism is funny"

6. "missing the point here..." "F you shitskin Niqqer"

7. "lol you all got small peepee" "you're a dude..." "talk to me dirty, Daddy"

8. "this is horrible, we have real problems, what a shame" "DARN ZIONIST!"

https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/1j1rpnn/liberals_can_only_critique_people_by_calling_them/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/7md19p/hbomberguy_ive_supported_multilateral_military/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/63ptbl/left_mods_response_to_hbomberguy_revelations/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/18fgbg1/interesting_how_hbomberguy_has_a_bigger_issue/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/1j1tegx/there_are_so_many_things_wrong_here_i_dont_even/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/1j1zoi8/darn_liberals_hate_russia_so_much_theyre_now/

/r/stupidpol lolcows start to when they can no longer simp for their heckin tradpilled non-Western oligarchic shithole now that le heckin genocidal Satanyahu collaborates with le heckin wholesome and valid Russian comrades who will restore the USSR at any time, trvst the plqn cqmrqdes:

https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1j0zx50/exclusive_israel_lobbies_us_to_keep_russian_bases/

/r/geopolitics and /r/Israel also have a brain malfunction and literally do not know what to comment lol:

https://old.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/1j0ywnt/exclusive_israel_lobbies_us_to_keep_russian_bases/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1j0ylct/title_israel_warns_us_about_ankarabacked_syrian/

!nooticers !fedposters !jidf !jews !palestine

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Competing with the entire third world, young Brits are now out of their traditional Greggs or Wetherspoons gig, fuelling a potential slump in NOS Canister sales

In October to December 2024, an estimated 14.4% of all male 16-24-year-olds were Neet, compared with 12.3% female.

Rdrama still has growth potential

Niall became Neet after getting in with the "wrong people", he says.

"At first, it just seemed like Reddit but with cat emojis," Niall says, describing the Neet community.

"But before you realise it, you're saying words like 'Bussy' and 'dramapilled' - it alienates you from people."

"So obviously I had to get off all that stuff."

Seethe

can you blame them? whats the point of working, theres no light at the end of the tunnel.

It's literally easier to just say you have long covid and rake in the bennies

Most people don't want to be a leech on society.

Yeah except 1/3rd of the country

If the British young people don't want to work we need to open up the job market to young Europeans they're not lazy unlike the Brits.

"I'm sorry chancellor, but the economy won't budge. Our labour productivity is still 24% lower than pre-2008 trends.

"Why don't we try importing another 2 million people?"

Also at the idea that Europeans aren't lazy

Entry level jobs that were previously done by 18 year olds etc are now staffed by full time middle aged people and immigrants.

Do you have any sources for anything you just claimed?

>source? do you have a source?

what is the point? To earn money for corrupt politicians, ungrateful pensioners and billionaires while we all burn our mental health to the ground with shit public services

> waaahhh billionaires exist!! My mental health!

How did the bong go from conquering the world to this level of cute twinkry in 100 years?

The drinks being removed are literally all either milkshakes or teenage girl non-coffee drinks, including the Java Chip Frappuccino, the Iced Matcha Lemonade, the Royal English Breakfast Latte and the Chocolate Cookie Crumble Crème Frappuccino

Note that most of these drinks can still be ordered via customising existing drinks, this change is mostly menu simplification

/r/starbucks and /r/starbucksbaristas should be very happy about this - the two subreddits are constantly filled with baristas complaining about how many ridiculous drinks they have to make, and However theyre mad, and Lets try to understand why:

/r/legaladvice lol but go off i guess

Its nasty and bland because it like only contains 20g added sugar instead of 40g added sugar (excluding literally any sugar thats in the other ingredients in the drink)??? American tastebuds have been destroyed

If customers want a stupid drink then they have to build it themselves in the app and pay more for it, and Sounds like a win win

omg! Youre not kidding anyone, youre still going to Starbucks no matter how much they charge you for your sugar slop

i feel like 1, and Train your staff better

2, and Itll be easier for them to make now that its listed as a base drink + modifiers rather than expecting a barista to know exactly how to build a Chocolate Cookie Crumble Crème Frappuccino

"People of color" is the most obvious and inoffensive variation of this linguistic impetus for bashing my head against the wall. But then you have "people of size" for fat people, and the worst of all, "people of faith" for religious people. Shut your Grand Old Duke of York butt up, you make 50k working in academia in NYC, you aren't European royalty.

I am made a modified Martha Stewarts Coq au Vin for a dinner party tomorrow.

Recipe:

Ingredients

• 6 chicken thighs

• 1 bottle full-bodied red wine

• Coarse kosher salt and freshly ground pepper

• 8 oz thick bacon, cut into ½-inch lardons

• 3 tbsp extra-virgin olive oil, (if needed)

• 1 large onion, finely chopped

• 2-3 stalk celery, finely chopped

• 2-3 carrots, finely chopped

• 8 garlic cloves, thinly sliced

• ½ lb small mushrooms

• 3 tbsp all-purpose flour

• 1 tbsp tomato paste

• 2 tbsp Cognac

• 2 bay leaves

• 5 fresh thyme sprigs

Instructions

1. Place chicken in a large bowl, and add wine. Cover, and refrigerate overnight.

2. Preheat oven to 325 degrees. Remove chicken from wine, and pat dry; reserve wine. Season chicken well with salt and pepper.

3. Cook bacon in a Dutch oven over medium-low heat until crisp, about 20 minutes. Transfer bacon to a plate, leaving drippings in pot. (You should have 3 tablespoons; you may need to add oil.)

4. Raise heat to medium-high. Working in batches, cook chicken, flipping once, until golden, 4 to 5 minutes per side. Transfer to a plate.

5. Add mirepoix (onion, celery and carrot) to pot, and cook 4 to 5 minutes. Add garlic, and cook 2 minutes. Add mushrooms, and cook until brown, 3 to 4 minutes. Stir in flour and tomato paste, and cook 2 minutes. Add Cognac, and cook, stirring, 1 minute.

6. Return bacon and chicken to pot. Pour in reserved wine, and add herbs. Bring to a simmer.

7. Cover, and place in oven until chicken has cooked through and vegetables are tender, 45 minutes to 1 hour. Discard herbs, and skim fat from surface.

Previous recipe here if you prefer better onions. https://rdrama.net/h/food/post/271668/coq-au-vin-marseychef

!grillers !masterchef

Steve was leaving the football ground when he shouted back at some away fans. Moments later he was in handcuffs and under arrest.

He had shouted a homophobic slur, committing a hate crime that led to him being charged with a Section 5 Public Order offence. The case ended up in court, where he pleaded guilty, and he was banned from attending football matches in the UK for three years.

Now Steve - not his real name as he fears for the impact on his professional and personal life - is trying to make amends after coming through a fan education programme run by anti-discrimination charity Kick It Out.

A lifelong football fan, Steve had just watched his side play Chelsea and was leaving the stadium.

"I heard Chelsea fans shouting and I shouted back, 'Oi, you Chelsea rent boys', gave them a few gestures and thought nothing of it. I thought I was just having a bit of back and forth with the away fans," he said.

What followed is all a bit of a blur.

"I walked away and then all of a sudden I was surrounded by six security guards. And then from that point, a police officer arrested me and put the cuffs on."

"I'm in my 20s and I didn't really understand that [term]," Steve said. "I knew there was stuff around it, but I didn't really perceive why it was homophobic."

Steve was eventually referred to Kick It Out, which runs a fan education programme where offenders learn about the different types of discrimination and the impact their actions can have on victims.

"I accept that [what I did] was awful, and now it's about repaying that, turning that into something positive. I've had a look at myself... I'm willing to make amends," he said.

Sounds like not such a bad idea. Maybe we could organise to send some dramatards to these webinars to minimise homophobia on rdrama?

!football

No one at this retreat should be allowed to work on a Democratic campaign ever again. https://t.co/9gExI6jBtL

— Kat Abu (@abughazalehkat) March 2, 2025

Is it a psyop?

the electoral college obviously sounds r-slurred but I just wanted to laugh at the circlejerk levels reached here

By the way I'm using scans online of the ones I own because they're much higher quality than any photos I could take.

NUMBER TEN

Republique de Guinee bird stamps

I have this whole set I like the fact that they're pretty large and diamond shaped

NUMBER NINE

republique Rwandise space stamps

These ones look great, America has poor moon landing and space stamps compared to countries who didn't even participate.

NUMBER EIGHT

Syrian Arab Republic Roman arch of triumph stamp

This one's pretty neat I like the fact that it's from a country that doesn't exist anymore

NUMBER SEVEN

Romania Fairytale designs

Pretty sure these are probably designs based off of fairytales, not sure what else they'd be based off of. Pretty interesting look.

NUMBER SIX

Hungarian Mask stamps

These stamps from 1973 show different mask designs, I really like when stamps show cultural things from the country that they are from so definitely

one of my favorites for that reason.

NUMBER FIVE

100 years of Egyptian stamps

I like the cultural artifacts that are depicted on this set of two stamps and I also like the arabic writing on them a lot as well.

NUMBER FOUR

Yemen conquest of Mars stamps

These stamps are from 1970 and depict a fantasy scenario with people traveling to colonize mars. The art on these stamps is beautiful and I like the scenario it depicts as well. Back then we definitely all thought that we were going to have flying cars and be living on the moon and mar by now.

NUMBER THREE

Liberia African tribal masks stamps

I love this set. The art it depicts is so beautiful and the ones I have in my collection are in great condition as well. I especially like the Bamileke elephant mask the beads are so colourful and if you've ever seen one of these in person at an art museum you'll know just how complex and beautiful these masks are in person. I also like how large these stamps are it makes what they are depicting easy to see and display.

NUMBER TWO

Ras Al Khaimah cat stamps

Just like with the last set of stamps I like how large these are they look great displayed in my binder. There is more than one Ras Al Khaimah cat stamps set but I'm just including both of them since I have both full sets. The ones I have are in great condition and have vibrant colours. I also like the fact that these stamps have arabic writing on them, I like collecting stamps from other countries and any stamps with arabic writing are my favorite because I think that the script is very beautiful.

NUMBER ONE

Romania Vulpes Vulpes stamp

I like red foxes a lot and this stamp is very beautiful. The colours are striking and the copy that I have in my collection seems to be in near mint condition.

Secret Number One - Liberia Vulpes Vulpes

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.... you think pornstars are weird about their pics being shown to family memebers because it's "degrading"? you can't think of any other reason why? (83)

Why would they care if they didn't think it was shameful deep down? (-15)

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So why on earth are you focusing on the victims and not the perpetrators? If it's degrading because men treat them badly, then the solution is to STOP MEN FROM TREATING THEM BADLY. yet here you are degrading the women for itWhere's the accountability for men? (22)

Chicken or the egg. Horny men or available prostitutes. (-14)

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It's mostly degrading because they end up having s*x with cruel misogynists who actively want to degrade them. Which unfortunately isn't exclusive to s*x workers (32)

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You wrote a lot, but I want to focus on this part first:You are merely axiomatically asserting your view. Lets ignore that axioms are on first principles, not moral claims.I can also just axiomatically assert that prostitution is not "work".Sure. But you cannot claim that your moral assertions are objective. Deconstructionalism cuts both ways, not just when you want it to. If you deconstruct that prostitution is no different than any other job with no moral quality, such that it isn't "work", and do so by means of deconstructing s*x to a mere physical act in exchange for payment, then you must equally concede that degrading women is no different than any other physical act with no moral quality.Again, you can't have it both ways. Pick your poison. (0)

Neither can you. If modernism was truly capable of definitely proving these unyielding objective standards, post-modernism never would've existed. It's all people debating their own personal lines in the sand at the end of the day, I simply happen to believe my line's a good one.Nope, I really don't have to actually. Prostitution is no different because it literally is no different. Nothing about working for a coal mine—breaking your body and poisoning your lungs for money—is in any definable capacity different from being a prostitute. In both contexts, your body is functionally up for purchase to service the one paying. In on instance you serve them by mining coal, in the other you serve them by sucking their peepee. But it's all service and sacrifice in exchange for money. But degrading women is distinctly different from any other physical act. Some physical acts don't degrade women—some uplift women even! There is a fundamental difference between, for example, me handing you $100 a... (1)

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Sexual fantasies are vast and variable, so calling what you see in pornography "the worst contortions of sexuality" is heavily judgmental and subjective and can be applied to anything. That sentiment has historically been applied to homosexuality, transexuality, kink, interracial s*x, etc, typically with the goal of discouraging or even regulating people's private lives.Furthermore, art reflects human nature as much as it informs it. A misogynist will be a misogynist whether or not they watch porn or pay for prostitution, and much of what is popular in pornography reflects fantasies that are not inherently misogynistic. Pornography may expose a person to fantasy situations they were not aware of, but whether or not those situations speak to the real-life desires of the viewer is up to the viewer. After all, the vast majority of people who watch slasher horror films go on to live normal, non-homicidal lives. (3)

I'm not describing all pornography when saying that: I'm saying that alongside whatever else it shows, it also undeniably presents images of sexual violence and treats women's bodies as objects to be commodified. There may be a perfect world out there somewhere in which this is not the case, and where every customer treats s*x workers with respect and dignity, but that is not our world.The hand-waving approach adopted by some in this thread — not saying you, necessarily — completely fails to account for the often grim reality in favor of an idealized version that's nothing more than a hypothetical. The fact is that women are still, in many places and cases, treated as objects to be owned, used, and in the very worst of cases, traded. To act like a culture which has the commodification of women's bodies at its centre doesn't play into these trends is disingenuous.The slasher comparison doesn't hold up because there is not as clear a delineation between fantasy and reality in the case... (1)

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There is a fundamental problem with this argument. When people say an individual choosing to do s*x work, porn or prostitution, isn't any more exploitative than any other job, they are arguing because the excuse against making it legal is always that the "government" doesn't want to encourage the exploitation of people. All capitalist jobs exploit their workers time, bodies and money, but there are protections in place for those kinds of jobs. A large amount of what makes s*x work so dangerous and awful is that there are very few standards, the illegality of it encourages pimps, trafficking and prevents the reporting of r*pes and abuse. The stigma around s*x work is less about the puritanical and religious shame, and more that suddenly society says to these people they are no longer people. They are objects and dirty objects at that. Jesus Christ hung out with prostitutes so it wasn't that deep for the son of God if that's your thing. Your argument that it is degrading and exploitat... (1)

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… because it's an outdoor cat and that's heckin' environmentally hostile to the birderinos.

Outdoor cats die young.

And have a better, more free life.

A "better" life how exactly? Outdoor cats have a lifespan of 2-5 years. Indoor 10-15 years. It's not even comparable lol

Outliers always exist. But statistics are statistics for a reason.

Please dont let your cats free roam, the amount of small mammals and birds they kill is insane. You are a peepee if you do this.

to play with the birds and chipmunks

Don't anthropomorphize it, it's hunting them, not playing and those animals spend their last moments in terror.

Edit: Why am I being downmarseyd for stating verifable facts? The downmarsey is meant for comments that are inaccurate, if you think Im wrong, please speak up and provide facts, dont hive mind.

Also looks like OP has a history of abusing animals and anthropomorphizing them, not surprised: https://old.reddit.com/r/BeardedDragons/comments/1fzh3xb/zukos_bath_dance_turn_audio_on_you_wont_be/lr40hxp/?context=8

It's nature that cats hunt. Keeping them inside is anthropomorphizing them. They say play instead of hunt because the cat is not hunting them for food but for fun.

Keeping them inside is called being responsible, your response is a strawman and made in very clear bad faith. I obviously struck a nerve.

... How is my response in a bad faith. I just responded what you said?? What

Wonder how many native creatures the pest murders every year.

better question is - why care? no really, how do birds and lizards being eaten affect me or anyone else negatively?

People say this, but then cry when people even suggest a feral cat hunt to help prevent the damage. How would that negatively affect you?

I like cats, they are cute and killing them makes me sad. the death of birds and lizards does not make me sad

It's no different. Actually, there's a strong case that the feral cat hunt is less egregious because it wouldn't negatively affect the local ecosystem.

The fact that you don't care about the destruction of the ecosystem doesn't make it different, just makes you selfish.

Stop leaving your cats outside. You are committing ecocide every time you let your little furballs out of the house. This is basic cat ownership 101 that takes a 5 minutes of research.

I don't care and you are wrong.

If there's ever a feral cat hunt set up, it will be the fault of people like you.

Why would I care?

Keep your cats indoors please.

Why would you do that to a cat. If you don't live in a place where you can safely let them go outside just don't have one. My cats used to be indoors because of this dumb idea and you can't even imagine how much happier and healthier they are now that they go outside.

Do you allow your dogs to roam free with no supervision too?

Dogs can be a threat to humans. Cats are not.

Humans are not the only consideration when it comes to outdoor cats.

Their effect on local wildlife and ecosystems plus their own safety also matter.

We know the facts on this based on scientific observations - introduced domesticated cats destroy local ecosystems, kill many animals and are at a much higher risk of accidental death than indoor cats. It is not hard to find this information online and environmental and animal experts have a consensus on this.

To disagree is to just be contrarian for the sake of your own misinformed views and ideas.

Educate yourself and do your research before you speak on topics that you do not understand.

Where I live there hasn't been any studies saying that so idc honestly

Selective caring, you are a peepee.

At least I don't keep my cats locked up like prisoners, my cats are happy and healthy and that's all that matters to me. Also as I said before there's no study in the place I live that they're doing any damage. Not every place is the same

Prisoners lmao stop personifying animals

Yeah, right, letting my cats go outside like animals they are it's personifying them, because it's their nature to checks notes live inside a house all day everyday for all their lives?

Personification followed by the appeal to nature fallacy lol I promise you cats are more than fine inside. In fact, they do better inside. Ya know, where disease and predators and poison isn't.

Have fun with your coyote food ;)

Cats do not belong outside.

Where were they originally found? 😱

Cats not only destroy ecosystems, but a large amount of outdoor cats end up missing or under cars. All the professionals advise more responsible ownership, which means keeping them indoors except on leashes. This isn't anything new. It's standard.

I don't think a human has any moral standing on what's good for the environment. Europe has lost about half a billion birds since the 70s - this is because of farming methods - it has nothing to do with cats. Also birds that exist in a city are birds that can exist around humans and therefore around cats.

This idea that cats destroy ecosystems is just human pandering to our own consciences that it isn't all entirely us. The same person who berates another for letting their cat outside will then merrily drive their car which is literally going to war on all life that breathes air. Not saying you shouldn't drive, just the cat stuff is only for one's own alleviation of guilt.

It's like 'Earth Day' -- what's the absolute least thing people can do so we don't have to feel bad about something.

Every responsible cat owner will agree with me. You get your cat chipped, neutered and keep them indoors. It's what's best and safest for them (and nature itself). I had a friend that disagreed. Her cat was flattened on the road outside, where she apparently never went. She quickly changed her tune. Unfortunately, this will keep happening until people learn.

It seems cruel to keep them inside. If you care about them at all, that's what you do as the parent. Otherwise, hold on tight, because you may not have long with them.

Life is inherently dangerous. Might as well wear a helmet everywhere you go just in case

Let's see if you feel that way when your cat is flattened because you think you know better. You don't. Responsible cat owners don't let their furbabies wonder, it's that simple. I'd prefer my boys alive and not messing up our local environment.

You're in the minority.

I did actually have a cat hit by a car. Another in the same litter was given to a friend and also was hit by a car.

I'd personally sooner just ban cars.

So, your cats died, because you let them out. This argument uses that as a very high risk... and you're still refusing to see sense. Responsibility would've kept your cat alive...

For Bob , he's already your indoor cat , just with a lot of playtime outside .I am glad you found each other 🧡🧡🧡

Thats exactly it. He's been an outside for what I assume to be years now so he's always going to enjoy the outdoors to an extent. He loves to come inside and sleep for a solid 5-6 hours and then go back outside to play with the birds and chipmunks. When I get my new house and turn him into an official inside cat, I think I'm going to train him to be on a leash so I can take him on walks so he can still enjoy the outdoors. I don't want to deprive him of that in anyway cause I can tell he enjoys it

We're in the midst of the 6th mass extinction, animals are struggling to cope with habitat loss due to climate change, pollution, and outdoor domestic cats. No matter how you try to justify it, your cat is worsening your local ecological crises right now, every day. Thinking that he just catches pests like mice is a dangerous misconception. They kill indiscriminately, not noting differences between pests and valuable native species like voles which help aerate soil and improve water absorption after rainfall. Local species your cat is impacting is innumerable, meaning too many to count. Cats are also now competing with birds that need smaller rodents for their own diets as part of the food chain, but cats aren't catching them for food to survive, they just do it for fun. Cats can also cause death in birds that they don't bring home, cats have a special bacteria in their mouth that's a death sentence for any bird they bite, without treatment. It's a slow death as well, getting blood poisoning from cat saliva.

Back to risks to your cat, loose dogs and coyotes can and do kill cats, my neighbor's dog has killed 4, including a flame point Siamese that I was desperately trying to get a neighbor to save by bringing indoors. Additionally, cars kill cats all the time, you might think your cat is smart enough to look before crossing, or just not cross since there's plenty of land on the side they're on, but once prey drive kicks in and they chase something, all bets are off.

Your cat could have the misfortune of running into a rabbid animal. It could be something like a sick bat on the ground, or something bigger that would maul them. Squirrels are rarely found to have rabies, but that's only because they don't survive attacks.

There's also cruel humans out there. My cat has a BB pellet in his shoulder from when he was a street cat before I rescued him. Cats can be poisoned, people do sick things. There's also a high population of people that swerve into animals when they see them crossing the road.

My cat gets lots of enrichment, and I regularly take him out in nice weather on his harness, he gets super excited to see when it comes off the hook, it's an adorable ceremony your cat deserves to experience on the sooner side of later.

Please bring them inside asap, they're like toddlers. Toddlers may want to play with bottles under the sink but we don't let them because it's dangerous. It takes a few days to weeks to break them off the habit of trying to escape but I promise they can be happy, thriving indoor cats. The sooner you can do it the better!

Hope this explanation is helpful and brings him sooner rather than later!

It's nice to see a cat roam. Can't have that where I live because it's a containment zone due to them killing every small wildlife they see etc

Is that a local law? That's such a shame given that the 'study' the "kills billions of birds each year" came from used almost deliberately flawed methodology

Yeah it is. If they find your cat roaming it gets taken to a shelter/pest holding center and they call you ( if you have a cat and bring it to the vet, they have to microchip it ) , issue you a big fine.

If you don't microchip it, it might go to a local rspca for adoption, or it will get euthanized. Or go to the rspca, overloaded with animals , and they have to euthanize it too.

Is it ? I'm not animal expert much less species related stuff but I don't think it's a highly debatable thing that cats have a fairly large range and can kill many birds especially. Thought I suppose that varies with the local environment, where I live they have zero predators, though I'm guessing that's the same as most urban areas ?

When I had a cat we did just have a net thing over the balcony so he could go out easily and look at traffic etc.

Miss the old bugger.

Is it ? I'm not animal expert much less species related stuff but I don't think it's a highly debatable thing that cats have a fairly large range and can kill many birds especially. Thought I suppose that varies with the local environment, where I live they have zero predators, though I'm guessing that's the same as most urban areas ?

Yeah, the 'study' was commissioned/financed by the American Audubon Society (so, not exactly unbiased) and its methodology was:

1. ⁠Calculate how many cats there were on average per square mile in the city they were in;

1. ⁠Look up how many square miles there are in America;

1. ⁠Guesstimate how many birds a cat kills in a year;

1. ⁠Multiply the figures they got at (1) and (2) to get an 'estimate' for how many cats there were in America;

1. ⁠Multiply the figures from (3) and (4) to get the 'answer' of how many birds cats kill each year in America.

The glaring hole in all of this is that a LOT of America is empty space - and even most residential areas aren't as population-dense as a city. So when they took the figure from (1) for the average number of cats per square mile in their city and multiplied it (2), what they got was an estimate for how many cats there were total in America if the entire surface of America was one large city.

So, they massively (as in, by several orders of magnitude) overestimated how many cats there are in America, and as a result their figure for how many birds cats kill per year in America is similarly several orders of magnitude too high :)

Outside Cat = RIP Cat

I've had outside cats live more than 15 years. Luckily not everybody lives in big cities where they can be killed by cars or things like that.

Humans are cruel. Put antifreeze out and watch that cat lap it up and die soon after. Trap it, shoot it, snap its neck, stomp its head. So many easy ways to kill a cat, and there are too many people willing to do such horrible things.

Just because you got lucky with your cats, that doesn't mean countless other cats haven't had to suffer for their owners irresponsible decisions.

I had an outside cat. Always had outside cats. He was my best guy he would come running to me when I got home from work etc.

Neighbors put out rodenticide and my very healthy very active cat came home very sluggish, very lethargic and wouldn't eat or drink.

The animal hospital wanted 1800 blood test before they would give him poison treatment so they put him down for 100 dollars.. but wouldn't take my 500 dollars for shots.

Frick boomer neighbors (and everyone ) who use rodenticide on squirrels or outside period.

Frick vet hospitals who make money on desperate people.

F people who think their single pet is somehow worth more than the hundreds of things it kills for fun outside. Your outside cat killed far more than the rodentcide did dude.

Keep bob inside, butthole - wildlife in your area

I'm not saying the cat did it…

I wonder how many birds it's killed. Natural born hunter.

I have a native garden at my place. I've drawn in so many birds over the years. They love serviceberry in the spring. Winterberry is a favorite during winter.

New neighbor moves in. They have a beautiful cat that absolutely loves being outside. He's a great climber, always in the trees.

The birds are gone. I hear nothing from the trees. Nothing from the grass. Every now and then there's a mocking bird or a crow. The blue jays are gone. The finches, the cardinals. No more titmouse. Chickadees. I wonder if I'll have catbirds this year.

Beautiful cat. You can tell it is content and its family loves it.

Winter days when I bring him inside (the fur coat difference in winter vs summer is crazy, so majestic)

Cats shouldn't be outside. They do so much damage to the ecosystem

Yes not to mention letting them free roam exposes them to all manners of hazards, predators, and psychos.

You're getting downmarseyd but you're absolutely right and anyone with half a brain that truly loved their cat would leash train, get a catio, do supervised outdoor time, or get a stroller. ()

Out door cats live on average half as long as indoor cats, and this stat adjusts for the disproportionate amount of kittens who dont make it into adulthood in outdoor cat litters. If it's included, the average outdoor cat lives around 4 years. So much death for creatures we all love.

I know youre in a tough spot with your rental not allowing pets, OP. But for the animal who saved your life sakes. Please consider finding a home for him. Even if it's temporary.

This is a false statistic that people keep throwing around on Reddit. 'Outside' in this statistic is used to describe STRAY cats, not indoor/outdoor cats who have an owner and are being cared for.

Pls have data to prove that it's not false or else rephrase that as your own opinion.

Please have data that it's true

You're the one claiming it's false, the onus is on you to either have proof to disclaim it, or admit it's just your opinion/observation.

The person making the initial claim is the one who inherently needs to provide evidence for that claim to begin with. That's literally how the burden of proof works.