(The JerryLeeCooper Saga)
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the !linuxchads , !fosstards and !applechads fear the !winchads .
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(Prelude)
Somewhat OT: The JerryLeeCooper Saga
This should not be read by those who experience blinding rage when confronted by people who obviously don't know what they're talking about, those with heart conditions, those with psychological conditions, women who are pregnant or nursing, or any sane human being.
This is a little bit (a lot) off topic, but it does relate to Linux, so I felt I would pass it along. You may already be familiar with Mr Jerry Lee Cooper and his works through digg.com and similar sites. If so, you know what follows. If not, and if you wish to bear witness to a new level of crazy, keep reading. If you haven't see the dozen or more of his complete works, they are presented below, in chronological order.
The AUSLUG and PLUG lists have been kind of quiet today, so I figured I'd kick up some activity if anyone's listening. What follows is not for the faint of heart, and probably not safe for human consumption.
This guy either has no idea what he's talking about, or he's a troll. I think he's a troll, but it's up to you to decide for yourself. The JerryLeeCooper that comes up on some other forums is probably not the same guy, or evidence that this is in fact a troll. I suspect he's not the same guy, since the name on the forums shows up some months after the ZDnet postings.
Each of these entries is either in response to a ZDnet report or editorial, or a comment posted under one of the reports or editorials.
He seems to have something against Linux, and is under the impression that MS is the Lord and Master of All Things Computer. Anyway, I've collected his comments off of ZDnet here, in chronological order, for your enjoyment.
A little Google search for < site:talkback.zdnet.com "jerryleecooper's comment">, will turn up all his posts in all their glory, but not in chronological order, if you want to see the original stories and comments that prompted each insanity.
I have added commentary above each entry, to better clarify the topic he's addressing. Each comment of his has a title, and the date it was posted. Again, these should all be in chronological order, for better enjoyment of the crazy. Same-day posts are arranged in what I perceive to be the proper order, but that's just my opinion.
Enjoy, if you dare!
On Vista:
Vista is the Future
Its clearly evident that vista is the future.
One only has to watch TV for a short period of time and see the advertising.
WOW !!
I personally love the part where the young man is taking a stroll in the delightful snow covered streets, and sees firsthand a young deer with a gleefull glint in its eye. It sends a shiver down my spine.
WOW is all I can say.
Vista is clearly the future of enterprise computing.
On hearing about Linux:
that wont work without THEFT of intellectual property
Linux looks very interesting, even if some of the screen colours and menu options appear to be a little out of the ordinary.
But you are missing a vital point, a point which takes some experience and depth of knowledge in the field of computers. You see, when a computer boots up, it needs to load various drivers and then load various services. This happens long before the operating system and other applications are available.
Linux is a marvellous operating system in its own right, and even comes in several different flavours. However, as good as these flavours are, they first need Microsoft Windows to load the services prior to use.
In Linux, the open office might be the default for editing your wordfiles, and you might prefer ubuntu brown over the grassy knoll of the windows desktop, but mark my words young man - without the windows drivers sitting below the visible surface, allowing the linus to talk to the hardware, it is without worth.
And so, by choosing your linux as an alternative to windows on the desktop, you still need a windows licence to run this operating system through the windows drivers to talk to the hardware. Linux is only a code, it cannot perform the low level function.
My point being, young man, that unless you intend to pirate and steal the Windows drivers and services, how is using the linux going to save money ? Well ? It seems that no linux fan can ever provide a straight answer to that question !
May as well just stay legal, run the Windows drivers, and run Office on the desktop instead of the linus.
on being told that Vista might prompt people to choose Linux:
It wont happen
I dont see how this will happen at all.
Vista is far more powerful than windows XP, and runs twice as fast. It is also much harder to pirate, and this point more than anything else has the Linux crowd in a panic.
It wont be long until Windows XP is no longer supported, and when that happens, what is Linux going to do ?
Linux will have to find a way to work under Vista from here on, since it wont be able to rely on XP being readily available anymore.
Linux may seem like a good alternative to Office, but all that is happening in linux is that the windows interface is cleverly hidden away. It still needs the drivers and software services in order to run, and in most cases - that happens WITHOUT a valid windows licence.
This is just plain piracy.
Vista will finally put an end to this blatant abuse of intellectual property, and linux should decline, taking the pirates with it.
Anyone that supports the continuation of Windows XP in place of Vista surely has a hidden agenda .. and you will surely be caught out.
on being told that Linux is a true operating system, and doesn't need Windows:
You are kidding arent you ?
Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?
That sounds preposterous to me.
If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.
Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.
Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.
on MS vs Unix, and MS marketing tactics:
Scalability is the key
Much of this analysis consists of splitting hairs over the finer details of decisions that were made at the very dawn of the computer IT industry.
So Microsoft leveraged their success with DOS off of mainframe systems such as the CP/M ? Clunky old machines with green screens and keyboards so big and heavy that they are physically impossible to type on. I remember them well.
That was then - lets fast forward now to 2007. Computers are so much faster, graphics cards are 3D capable, the keyboards are easier to use, and the mouse makes life a breeze.
And we have the internet - 99% of which runs on Internet Explorer.
How can you be so blind as to say that Microsoft has not given us any innovation ? I find that comment simply astounding !! You cant honestly suggest that we would be better off using the CPM machines on a mainframe ?
On the surface there are many obvious innovations .. such as a graphical system with a mouse, the Office, not to mention the internet that is basically a totally Microsoft platform these days .. (need I go on ?)
But if you care to look below the obvious surface, you will find the true innovation that Microsoft has bought us. Let me spell it out for you :
SCALABILITY
The ability to extend performance above and beyond the ordinary. Thats the true innovation that Microsoft has bought to the world, and they have done it by redefining software engineering, and backing it with billions of dollars.
Who else has been able to do this ? Nobody that I can see.
on security in OSX:
The extra chip in the Mac OSX
Very interesting. You mention that the Mac OSX machine includes an extra chip that handles the security ?
Well Ill have you know that Microsoft Vista includes a BitLocker in the system which takes this a step further. The BitLocker is software based, and so protects the data flow within the computer above and beyond what happens over the serial line.
In addition to this fact, the Microsoft SQLServer wraps the data in a form that can be made accessible on a user by user basis. The Mac OSX chip is hardware, and so cannot distinguish activities at the user level.
This dual existence of both BitLocker and SQLServer is what is termed 'Double Data Protection', which I am sure you will admit is a more secure methodology than the single chip that the Mac OSX appears to be using.
This gets very exciting when one imagines what might happen when the operating system and the SQLServer are integrated as one unit. Microsoft will be leading the way in computer security when this very vision is realized with the release of the Win FS as part of Vista II. You mark my words, it will make the Mac OSX obsolete.
But there is more ....
I happen to have extensive experience at the very heights of the corporate enterprise IT, and this includes exclusive contacts deep within the heirachy of a certain company in Redmond.
I can assure you that there are moves afoot to include a very similar chip that is in the Mac OSX in the next version of Vista.
Whilst not being privy to exact details of discussions at the highest level of the corporate IT, I can extrapolate my experience to present a scenario which is entirely realistic :
1 - Microsoft worked alongside the Apple to develop the next generation of security measures, using a 'Triple Data Protection' scheme involving BitLocker, SQLServer, and an as yet untested security chip.
2 - After providing Apple with its best virus protection algorithms (an algorithm is an advanced computer code), Microsoft discovers that Apple has no equivalent offering to add to the partnership.
3 - The partnership dissolves, but Apple pirates the Microsoft algorithm, which is designed around the Pentium super chip, and then proceeds to convert their machines across to the Intel.
4 - Apple adds this 'security chip' that you mention, (which more than likely contains the Microsoft anti virus algorithm), giving it a highly secure offering to bring to the market. An unfair advantage in anyone's eyes you would have to admit.
Well, the simple fact that the Mac OSX already has over 700 malwares, despite the existence of the security chip AND Microsoft's dearly guarded anti-virus algorithm, indicates that Apple does not have the expertise to engineer an IT miracle on this scale.
That will all change soon when Microsoft completes the engineering on their next generation of Vista.
Hold onto your seats gentlemen, its going to be a blast !!
on why someone on ZDnet is having problems running Linux:
The linux cannot reliably be employed on modern hardware
Yes, well, I did receive quite a few pointed 'pointers' about linux not requiring windows, but I am yet to be convinced on that score.
I did witness first hand just the other day, a demonstration of a machine loading up the linux, and several points piqued my interest for sure.
Firstly, the machine loaded into the Microsoft boot sequence prior to loading the linux. This is the segment of the operating system which counts down the memory, and configures the A:, C: and D: drives prior to loading the Microsoft windows. Although the machine did not display the familiar windows animation, it was obvious that the linux was freeloading off the back of this prior installation/boot sequence. The aforementioned demonstrator, upon further questioning, even admitted that 'Oh, That part is not the linux', and then went on to confuse the issue with technical jargon. However, one cannot mask a simple act of piracy with excessive verbosity. A fool and his lamb are worth 2 in the bush.
Now - I will admit after some further research, that the linux is not in fact a complete copy of Microsoft Windows. My research indicates that it is in fact a copy of Unix. I bet you didnt know that young man ? Yes, its a straight copy of Unix, even down to copying verbatim codefiles straight from the source of Unix. I believe there is a court case in progress regarding this latest discovery. The magnitude of the theft is now becoming apparent.
However, this remarkable fact may well uncover the answer to Ed Bott's mystery linux installation failure. You see, the Unix was designed to run within the VHF to UHF spectra (much like a radio), which is all well and good until you consider that modern computers run in the microwave range, at which regular radio reception starts to have serious issues. If one were to use a UHF receiver to tune in to a quad-phased broadcast in the Microwave spectra, one would fail miserably.
I would wager a bet that Ed Bott's computing apparatus was a more contemporary design utilizing a 3GHz central processor unit (or CPU). Under such frequencies, the linux would literally tear itself apart, its code lacking the internal cohesion to sustain this extreme environment. The Microsoft by comparison, is streamlined and engineered to withstand this Microwave environment, thanks no doubt to the forethought of its designers.
And of this there is ample evidence, which one can easily do an msn-search for and witness first hand. All of this evidence is on the public record, and cannot be denied.
on Blue-Ray:
blue ray is impractical for the linux
It comes as no surprise that the linux does not yet find itself deployed on the blue ray HD DVD, for a number of reasons.
I think you will find after some investigation that the blue ray HD DVD is a patented invention that requires special decryption codes to be utilised.
Therefore it would not only be illegal for linux to use the blue ray (not that minor questions of legality have ever stopped the Linux in the past), but more so that linux does not yet contain the decrypter codes required for this operation.
And so for now, the linux finds itself constrained to the somewhat prehistoric CD-ROM format.
on Novell dumping a load of documents to public access:
Leaderships wins the day
Lets us not waste our energies on pointless arguments over exactly how many ways the linux has infringed on other people's intellectual property.
The facts have already been proven, and numerous people have made declarations in public about the level of corruption that is systemic and prevalent in that particular 'development community'.
Prominent and respected businessmen, such as Steve Ballmer CEO. of Microsoft, have already been generous enough to state that the evidence exists, and even enumerate the magnitude of this vile misdeed.
But nobody is threatening to sue anyone .. or argue over the who is to blame, there is no childish 'Witch Hunt' in progress here.
When one stands on the edge of a smoking crater, the scene of a horrific passenger aeroplane accident, a Leader will not run about cursing all and sundry for their part in this tragedy - NAY - A Leader stands up and admits that a dark day has fallen upon us, but is discrete about the details. The bodies of the fallen are covered, and discussions with next of Kin are kept private. It is enough to know that '235 brave souls have lost their lives on this day', and that is enough for us to know.
And so it is that Steve Ballmer has shown both Leadership and Discretion of the highest order in this situation. The proven magintude of the crime has been made public, however the details are kept respectfully at arms length. In so doing, Microsoft is performing
a huge service for the linux developers, in not shining the lamp of the accuser too brightly upon their guilty brows ... in effect, giving them a second chance to direct some of their energies towards a more productive future path.
It is an act of the highest nobility that is rarely seen in this day and age.
No, the real issue at hand here is - NOW that it is well known that things have gone wrong, HOW can we restructure relationships in this industry such that their is a way forward to a productive future ? We can also look to Novell it seems as bastion of noble intention and Leadership in this industry.
The Novell-Microsoft pact is a template for all future relationships in the IT industry, with all players in the industry purchasing prepaid IP royalty credits from Microsoft. This makes the entire question of IP manageable at last, and streamlines all future IT business in a way that truly benefits everyone.
on buildng a FREE resource for Dell owners using Ubuntu:
A foolhardy investment
An interesting concept perhaps, but one ultimately doomed to failure.
I would hazard to suggest that such a venture would be like fissling good seed onto barren ground, when one considers the target market for this ambitious venture.
Firstly, let us consider the target market. Those who would purchase a Dell computer with the linux installed, typically do so with one factor predominant in their mind's eye. That is - they choose the linux in order to save money. Any venture that invested resources in providing training services to this market is at a disadvantage from the first day, since that market has already classified itself as a penny pinching mob, collectively bereft of financial resources.
Secondly, one must consider the technical depth of this target market. The linux lacks the shine and technical sophistication of modern operating systems, such as Vista. There is only so much that can be taught to customers about the linux before one has exhausted it's technical abilities, let alone the shallow pockets of it's users. Selling training for advanced topics such as - Virus Protection, Disk Defragmentation Utilities, Job Scheduling, Windows Scripting, and Windows Clustering, Sequel Server .. all great topics that make a firm
foundation for a lucrative training program .. but these opportnities are solely lacking in the linux world.
And Thirdly, let us consider the professional development of this target market. When one enters an University level course in advanced computing with a view to a productive future in the IT industry, what exactly do you think they teach students there ? They would hardly be
teaching the linux, the unix, or the mainframe in this day and age. Nay - Its primarily Windows and Vista that form the foundation of a professional career these days. One would only be doing a half hearted disservice to users if you limited the training program to the linux.
So whilst I find the idea of offering training to Dell's linux customers gregarious and even charitable, I think it is a venture doomed to failure, and surely one which most investors would be loathe to back with the resources required.
on building a decent computer for under $500:
No need for Piracy or IP Theft here !
It is saddening to see articles like this that talk about building computing systems, and leave out the necessary costs involved with properly licensing the operating software. There is an unwritten suggestion within the article that the user could somehow bypass these costs ? or worse - choose a system (Ubuntu), which will lead the user into the dark and uncharted world of freeware - a world where the true costs are frighteningly hidden in the details.
I would suggest that in building any computing aparatus, one first selects the software required, and then builds the rest of system around that.
At the center of this choice would be the Windows Vista of course - preferably in the Business edition, at a low price of $299.
That leaves $200 left, and for that money one could purchase a quality case for about $50, a Microsoft keyboard and Mouse combo .. another $50, and a Motherboard for $100.
Now - anyone with experience in the computing IT industry would know that prices for CPU's, RAM memory, and Hard Disk memory always drop significantly over time.
A top of the line processor, RAM memory and Hard Disk memory may cost $1000 at today's prices - however, in a short time frame, these will cost only $200. And so, the wise buyer, by strategically delaying their purchase order, will save $800.
A good quality 19" monitor - another $200.
Microsoft Office - add $400
Now lets do the figures :
$499 for the purchase of the initial equipment.
+ $200 for the upgrades later on.
- $800 savings by delaying the CPU / RAM / Disk purchase
+ $200 for a monitor
+ $400 for Microsoft Officce
=$499 total
There you have it - a perfectly 'decent' computing machine with a legal and licenced copy of operating software (and $1 in change) vs $500 for a somewhat hobbled Ubuntu machine that leaves its user with undeclared balance sheet liablity for patent infringements.
Like so many other independent studies have found before .. A properly licensed Microsoft solution is not only the safer option, but also the lower cost option as well.
on his lack of mathematical ability:
Yes ME again
I see that the freeware evangelists are running scared now that their days are numbered. In an unbiased comparison, I have independently concluded that a legally licensed Windows machine, with a faster CPU processor and RAM memory, a bigger screen and a bigger Hard Disk memory is cheaper than the ubuntu machine, because of a sound investment strategy based on felicitous risk management and foresight.
You said : "You better go back to school because your math is definitely not sound. You failed to factor in your $299 (your quote) for Vista"
Not so - lets add it up again.
$299 for the Vista
$50 for the case
$50 for the genuine Microsoft keyboard and mouse
$100 for the motherboard
Total = $499
What is there not to understand ? The deductivistic summation of such figures adds up to $499.
on Google's announcment that a lot of IIS servers are serving malware:
Interesting
Its a very interesting statistic indeed, and one that bears repeating in many an IT department.
Google is a company with extensive internet experience - probably second only to Microsoft itself, and one can bet that Google looks at all platform options very closely.
I wonder what exactly can be concluded from this statistic though ? Given that Google runs it's internets using Microsoft IIS at the very core, they dont sound too worried about this situation.
Read between the lines of the article though, and the truth is revealed in the final paragraph - That these compromised servers are running PIRATED versions of Microsoft IIS, many of which are probably also running Linux, another malware of dubious legality.
It would be informative to learn how many of these pirated domains are running Microsoft IIS under Vista vs how many are running Microsoft IIS under linux ? As always, the truth is in the details.
on MS using FUD to force FOSS groups to partner with them:
Does the linux have a choice ?
If one makes the presumption that the modern IT is all about the internets, then you have to ask yourself 'Does the Linux even have a choice in this matter ?'
A modern computing system is not one that is run from the DOS command line - it is a system that is tied in with the internet instead. Just have a look at Vista with Aero for an example of this done right.
You need the outlook to connect in with the mass of email flowing around us every day. And then there is document collaboration - the sharing of Wordfiles and Excels between users across state boundries ! Voice over IP, internet enabled 'surface' computing, and voice command interfaces - all tied together with .NET and the Aero interface.
The driving force behind this internet is the Microsoft Sharepoint Server - a central peice of systems software which connects all these end points together, in a synergistic kaleidoscope that achieves both balance and symmetry.
The smart Vendors know that in order to get ahead in the future IT, that means integrating with the internet.
And so, we will see more and vendors of the Linux remit their legal obligations to Microsoft, and then benefit by getting onboard the .NET revolution.
on random rewrites as a secure method of wiping hard drives:
Secure erase not so secure
When writing finite bits to the disk sector, there is a finite probability that the resultant string of randomised bits MAY in fact generate something incriminating.
For example: (regardless of how unlikely this may seem), any string of random characters may well create a brand new wordfile on the computer by pure chance .. which contains legible words, which string together to form sentences which may in turn connect the previous owner of the hard disk with Al-Qaida, the Mafia, insider trading, un-patriotic activites, Linux 'development', or any manner of unsavory activities.
The larger the hard disk being randomly 'wiped' in this fashion, the greater the probability that some new and undesirable content would be created by chance.
I for one would NOT place my trust in such a tool, risking a lifetime of torment in Guantanimo Bay in exchange for the 'security' of having my hard disk cleaned prior to resale.
The solution ? One should purchase a new copy of the Vista for the said hard disk, and install this on the disk. This would effectively wipe clean the disk of any previous content. The disk could then be disposed of cleanly, with a note that the new owner must purchase another legal copy of the Vista before installing the disk.
In this situation - everyone wins.
on MS partnering with Linux vendors:
Why is Microsoft doing this ?
The one crucial question that must be framed is : Why is Microsoft paying hard currency for these deals ?
Why would they do that unless there was some other agenda ? I think the answer is clear.
Figures from the BSA and RIAA prove beyond all doubt that piracy and intellectual property theft is growing at an alarming rate. A recent article published by the US internet crime complaint center demonstrates how receipt of its 1 Millionth complaint shows that
internet based fraud is both rampant and expanding beyond all reason.
In this environment of lawless anarchy, it is no surprise to find that the Linux is right at home, and growing - in the same way that a wurm grows fat and gluttonous when placed in a dark and damp environment full of refuse and the despondent cast off's of a wealthy society.
I am not alone in my beliefs that even in this dreadful situation, the Linux represents a growing market for the softwares. Microsoft has tried for years to offer their superior office suites and internet products to markets outside of the Vista, with little success.
And yet, this is a difficult exersize. Linux represents the old school, with its mainframe like interface, and arcane secret programming languages. Porting the softwares to this platform
involves hiring the hippies who understand this obtuse environment. These people are typically unreliable, and have difficulty living wth the regular 9-5 work ethic. They believe in intellectual property theft, free love, substance abuse, and marxism.
Microsoft has solved these issues in one brilliant sweep by paying cash for access to these Linux secrets, by making these cross patent deals with the linux 'Vendors'. This will allow for the interoperability that the corporations so dearly wish for - the ability to run the Microsoft Office, and the IE7, as well as the Vista on top of this growing but amorphous mass known as 'The Linux'.
In a short time we will all soon see the benefits of these cross licencing deals, and the softwares will expand out their user bases and be seen everywhere. Even the most die hard linux afficionado with matted hair and a red armband will salivate at the prospect of being able to run the IE7 on his precious linux.
on some $150 laptop project possibly being a scam:
MK Electronics
I have spoken to MK Electronics - a real and established electronics firm in Sweden - and also the Medison 'partner' who is handling distribution for this laptop, and according to them, its all real.
This is just bizarre.
Im sure if it was possible to sell a $150 laptop in quantity, then Microsoft would already be offering such a product.
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Christ loves you, stop being evil ffs, bad vibes from your brain are like peices of microplastics stuck in your grey matter. They stay there forever. And once theyre gone and you no longer think bad thoughts, if all you have is negativity, next life you wont have a brain to use @ all, prove me wrong on that, have you seen medical diseases in thsoe who are born, yet toy beleive in afterlife, reincarnation and akrma..smh.
Goodluck. And yes im tlaking to specially you sweet heart.
I dedeictae this psot to you. โกโกโกโก
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Hurricane was a true American hero.
โ The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 19, 2025
The most decorated K-9 in U.S. history, he bravely defended the White House and spent retirement helping other working dogs through @Hurricane_K9. His legacy of courage and loyalty will live on.
Rest easy, Hurricane. ๐บ๐ธ๐พ pic.twitter.com/st5VxcOiAd
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Woman sues fertility clinic for implanting wrong embryo โ forcing her to hand over baby five months after giving birth
A devastated Georgia woman is suing a fertility clinic for implanting the wrong embryo inside her, resulting in the baby being "ripped away" from her five months after she gave birth and bonded with the child.
Krystena Murray, from Savannah, underwent in vitro fertilization two years ago and only discovered the fertility clinic's "reckless" mistake after she delivered a healthy baby boy in December 2023.
Murray and her sperm donor are both white
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She said she "knew something was very wrong" when the child was born because she delivered a
"dark-skinned,
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๐#SonicTheHedgehog #SonicIDW #SilverTheHedgehog #WhisperTheWolf #tanglethelemur #SilverxWhisper #WhisperxSilver #Silvisper #Whispilver pic.twitter.com/VWxfwcb1rr
— Draws (@Drawzzzzzzz) February 9, 2025
Context: There's two characters that are comics only. Usually they're headcannoned as lesbians because of course they are. Silver is often seen with them, so some fan drew silver railing one of the female characters as the other watched lol.
aweonao
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!engineering !ifrickinglovescience will you guys consider buying a domestic robot?
- GOLEM : This is a site about drama but never upset k1kes, remember this chuds
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Particularly goulash threads, quoted lazy style:
Replies: (translated from israli hebrew)
If you are a citizen and this is your opinion, then you should know that I tend to agree with you, but at the same time I thank God that I am not in a place where I would be asked to make such a terrible decision.
I'm an Israeli and I agree with him. It's a hard choice to make but if you make the wrong choice every time, they'll just keep doing it.
It's not my choice to make you are right but it's obvious to everyone that Israeli society is willing to make the dumbest choices decade after decade.
There is no hostage as valuable on this planet than an Israeli hostage because Israel will throw away every objective to get them back.
Turns out israli lives aren't as valuable as palestinian deaths
Do I see this wrong, or does Israel look like the loser of this deal / war?
Then somewhere braindead ethnonationalist garbage. Yeah. Israel really lost with its 1:100 KD ratio.
They should not be rescued except by military action even if it means they all have to die.
I hope everyone who insisted that Trump was a great friend of Israel who will surely have the Jewish people's backs feels pretty stupid now. A whole lot of American Jews were trying to warn you that Trump was completely untrustworthy, and Israelis just refused to hear it.
๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ NOOO our greatest enemy...brokers a peace deal for us :(( we want blood 
Trump (and his sycophants) will just blame Biden on this whole deal
???? He took credit for it
Another translation from modern Hebrew:
What do you imagine that continuing the war will achieve? Do you believe that "complete victory" is just around the corner? If we continue to fight there for another year or two or five years, Hamas will disappear and we will have peace forever? And that we can leave Gaza and forget about it? Or do you think we will have to stay there forever. If so, are you serving in the reserves, and are you prepared to continue doing plus or minus six months of reserve duty every year, until you are 45? Are you prepared for your children and grandchildren to live like this?
Enough with the illusion. Hamas is not going anywhere. After a year+ we are no closer to taking down Hamas than we were at the beginning. The most that can be done is to take their heads off, but as soon as they are allowed to, they will recover, and if it is not Hamas, it will be another terrorist organization. The only difference is whether the kidnapped people will return or not.
One commenter mentions their desire for "the chanpiom program" in Hebrew. No such Wikipedia article exists, and English mention is almost impossible to find online, but here's the Wikipedia article: Click here for israeli genocide plans
Here's the english wikipedia article
It is kinder
Generally if you see Hebrew in the thread it's because they don't want the reddit admins to see their comment. Not always.
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He did a literal fascist salute. Not fake. Heck, even neo-Nazis were excited about it. (49)
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Nobody would argue that fascism isn't racist because ultranationalism is a tenet of fascism. No one argued liberalism isn't democratic because democracy is a tenet of liberalism. Autocracy is not a tenet of communism. In fact, it is the exact opposite. There is no country on earth that claims to have achieved the goals of communism, but the western world labels these countries as communist nations because they espouse the goals of communism. This is akin to calling a construction company a finished building. Are you religious at all? I might have a good analogy for you. (2)
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yea and we already know that many neo-nazi's are pro Trump. Haven't seen any neo-nazi's support Harris but I have seen many support Trump.also maybe Elon is not a nazi that's fully possible, but he knows that the neo-nazi's support trump.also trump and Elon both support the killing of Palestinians.and who did Biden kill then, or do you mean that under Biden people got killed like which happens under literally every president including Trump. (1)
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Greetings dramatards 
A Country in Turmoil
It's time for the part 2 of our story. Taking from last post, Salvador Allende is the President of Chile and in 1971 the Unidad Popular got big wins on the municipal elections (getting 49% of the popular vote), however because Allende and the commies activated the money printer 
inflation skyrocketed in Chile leading to a stronger opposition.
As mentioned in the other post, General Viaux along members of the right-wing paramilitary group "Patria y Libertad" and CIA glowies assassinated the commander of the army, General Renรฉ Schneider.
The so-called "Schneider Doctrine" was a non-intervention principle by which the Armed Forces were to remain loyal to the constitutional order. The Chilean Armed Forces are composed by 3 branches, the army 
, the navy 
, and the Air Force 
. Then you have the "Carabineros de Chile", the carabineros are the National Police but they're highly militarized and more akin to the French "Gendarmerie"
After taking office in 1970, Allende appointed General Carlos Prats as the new head of the army.
General Prats was a fierce adept of the Schneider Doctrince.
In terms of the economy the currency reserves of Chile went from 394 million dollars in 1970 to 163 million dollars in 1971. In terms of trade the balance went from a surplus of 95 million dollars to a deficit of 90 million dollars after an abrupt fall in copper prices (Chile's main export abroad).
The raising of wages along the freezing of prices led to shortages of good, and by 1971 a black market had risen.
By 1973 the amount of money circulating rose from 173% in 1972 to 413%. Inflation went from 225% in 1972 and reached 606% in 1973. On the streets violent clashes occurred between sympathizers of Allende and the Unidad Popular and right-wingers/other members of the opposition.
The government blamed shortages on sabotaging by enemies of the people, however even unions engaged and benefited from the black market activities. They would oftentimes charge their remunerations in goods so they could trade them in the black market. Very wholesome and stable government 
By 1972 the government created the "Junta de Abastecimientos y Precios", which were local "people's" committees to deliver basic food goods and combat the shortages.
A pic from the breadlines 
On October 9th 1972 the National Confederacy of Trucker's Owners went on a strike along with other trucker's associations. They had the backing of newspapers like "El Mercurio" (known conservative newspaper) and our glowie friends 
On October 10th the government responded by arresting the truckers leaders, by October 12th the truckers responded by blocking the main roads of the country which led Allende to declare a National Emergency. By October 13th some 300 people had been arrested all over the country. In the following days other organizations joined the strike, among them the Confederation of Commerce and Production, the Confederation of Small Industry, the Association of minibuses drivers, the association of taxi drivers. By October 17th they were joined by the Medical Association of Chile (basically all doctors), the Federation of High School students of Santiago and all the Lawyers, engineers, and dentistry organizations. Then port workers, pilots, teachers, by October 18th the country was completely paralyzed.
The associations formed the "National Command" and published their demands on "El Mercurio", they asked for the end of nationalizations, end of expropriations, restitution of expropriated property, end of radio censorship and limiting the President's powers. The strike peaked on October 24th, a day known as "Dรญa del Silรชncio",
During the strike, 2 truckers, one soldier and a worker are killed.
The strike ended on November 5th after Allende appointed members of the Armed Forces to cabinet. Carlos Prats took over as Minister of the Interior, Rear Admiral Ismael Huerta as Minister of Public Works and General Sepรบlveda as Minister of Mining. This cabinet lasted up to the midterm elections of march 1973 where the Unidad Popular got 44% of the votes vs 55% of the Confederacy for Democracy (all opposition parties ranging from the PDC to rightoids together).
By 1973 Allende tried to re-aproach the PDC, however Eduardo Frei Montalva and Patricio Aylwin demanded military ministers which would have left the UP out of too many ministries.
By April 17th 1973 a miners strike began at "El Teniente" triggering street violence and lasting for 74 days. By 1973 over 100 people had been killed because of political violence. There was a risk of Civil War by then. Meanwhile the Coup d'Etat was already being planned by the high command of the Chilean Navy.
On June 27th 1973, General Prats was being driven through an intersection in the fancy neighborhood of "Las Condes" in Santiago when his car was approached by a red Renault. The people inside the car begin to insult Prats who was paranoid about what happened to Schneider 3 years earlier. So Prats took his gun and told them to stop, they didn't so Prats opened the window and shot the Renault 
. Both cars stopped and the driver was a woman accompanied by her young nephew, a crowd then surrounded Prats, he apologized and everyone begin to insult him and threaten him. They proceeded to break his car apart and flatten his tires, a taxi driver passed by took Prats away, told him to get in or he would be lynched. On that same day Prats went to Allende's office and presented his resignation. On June 29th however a coup attempt happened when Lt. Colonel Roberto Souper rebelled along his regiment. The attempt known as "Tanquetazo" was quelled by Prats himself. 22 people died.
By mid 1973 the Soviet Union was supposed to send weapons to Chile as part of an agreement with Allende, however they decided not too as they could see the writing on the wall, Allende wasn't going to make it so the Russians didn't want to risk arming rightoids.
On the Other front there was an institutional crisis going on. The mayors of the Unidad Popular along the central government were carrying out nationalizations and expropriations based on laws passed by a failed socialist regime in Chile which lasted for a few months in 1932.
By 1972 the courts were ruling against the expropriation as unlawful and unconstitutional. Between January and May 1973 the Supreme Court passed a number of resolutions asking the government to comply with the laws and abide by the courts instead of ignoring them, citing a constitutional breakdown.
presenting to the President for "the umpteenth time the illegal attitude of the administrative authority in the illicit interference in judicial matters
The government goons replied with a campaign calling judges "viejos de mierda" (old shits).
Prats took over as Minister of Defense on August 9th. On August 21st in front of Prats house a crowd of angry military wives gathered to protest. On that afternoon Allende along his ministers and Prats second in command, General Augusto Pinochet, arrive in place to show their support. The crowd proceeds to boo them all. By August 23rd Prats resigns. He recommends Allende to appoint Augusto Pinochet Ugarte, a longtime apolitical officer with no affiliations, as new head of the army.
On August 22nd the Chamber of Deputies of Chile passed a resolution of the Institutional and Legal Breakdown of Chile. This resolution accused the government of totalitarian practices, ignoring the courts and attempting against basic liberties. They called upon the Armed Forces to act. The Medical Association also signed a letter demanding Allende's resignation.
In the Navy almost everyone in the upper echelons was part of the coup's conspiracy. A similar phenomenon in the Air Force except for General Cรฉsar Ruรญz, the head of the branch. However after Allende appointed him as Minister of Public Works and Transportation, General Gustavo Leigh, a plottist, became the new head of the Air Force. In the Carabineros (Police) General Cรฉsar Mendoza was part of the conspiracy. The wild card was Pinochet.
In September 7th Admiral Merino sent a letter to Leigh and Pinochet asking them to dispose their forces on September 11th at 6:00am in Valparaรญso.
Augusto Pinochet
Augusto Pinochet was born on November 25, 1915, in Valparaรญso, Chile, to Augusto Pinochet Vera and Avelina Ugarte Martรญnez. He grew up in a middle-class family in a port city that was then a cultural and commercial hub. Pinochet was the eldest of six children and was raised in a devout Catholic household, which instilled in him a sense of discipline and hierarchy that would shape his later military career.
In 1933, Pinochet enrolled at the Chilean Military School, where he demonstrated a strong sense of ambition but was not particularly distinguished academically. After graduating in 1937 as a second lieutenant, he began a slow ascent through the ranks of the Chilean Army. Over the years, he developed a reputation as a competent and methodical officer, although he remained relatively unknown outside military circles.
During the 1940s and 1950s, Pinochet served in various units across Chile, gaining experience in different terrains and military operations. He married Lucรญa Hiriart Rodrรญguez in 1943, and the couple would go on to have five children. His family life was characterized by Lucรญa's strong influence on his personal and political decisions.
Pinochet's career advanced during the 1960s, a time when Chile was undergoing significant political and social changes. He continued his education by attending the War Academy, where he specialized in military strategy and geopolitics. By the mid-1960s, Pinochet had become a professor at the academy, known for his lectures on counterinsurgency, reflecting the military's growing focus on internal security during the Cold War. His academic contributions included a strong emphasis on maintaining order and combating Marxist ideologies, which were gaining traction in Chile and across Latin America.
In 1968, Pinochet was promoted to brigadier general, a significant milestone in his career. He was posted to various key roles, including commanding units in Chile's north and south. His administrative skills and ability to maintain strict discipline earned him recognition among his peers, though he remained apolitical, rarely voicing opinions on the country's political turmoil.
At this point in 1973, Pinochet's public image remained that of a quiet, professional soldier. Few suspected that within weeks, he would become the leader of a coup that would overthrow Allende's government and mark the beginning of his nearly 17-year rule as the head of a military dictatorship.
THE COUP
Pinochet took 2 days until he replied to Merino that he was in. There's some irony on this famous tyrant becoming a dictator by chance, he wasn't even part of the conspiracy up until a few days before as they didn't know if he could be trusted. On September 9th Allende announced a plebiscite to solve the institutional crisis, but it was pretty much too late.
On September 10th Pinochet sent his family away to the South near the border with Argentina, in case they needed to escape.
In the early hours of September 11, 1973, military units began mobilizing across Chile. Communication networks and transportation hubs were placed under surveillance or neutralized. Key military figures, including Pinochet and Merino, coordinated from secure locations, ensuring that their forces were synchronized. The coup's success depended on swift control of Santiago, the nation's capital, where La Moneda Palace, the seat of government, symbolized Allende's authority.
At approximately 6:00 a.m., the coup began in earnest. Army units in Santiago and other cities occupied key military installations, broadcast stations, and transportation hubs. The Navy took control of Valparaรญso, Chile's main port city, ensuring that reinforcements or communications from outside the country could not interfere. This action effectively isolated Chile diplomatically and physically.
One of the earliest moves was the seizure of radio and television stations, which were critical for controlling the narrative. Military forces occupied Radio Agricultura and other major broadcasters, replacing regular programming with martial music and announcements. At 7:00 a.m., a public declaration by the military junta was broadcast, announcing their intent to "restore order" and accusing Allende of undermining democracy. This marked the first public acknowledgment of the coup and was designed to disorient Allende's supporters.
Simultaneously, troops began moving toward critical infrastructure in Santiago, including airports, bridges, and major roadways. By 8:00 a.m., the military had effectively paralyzed the city, cutting off avenues for resistance or escape. These early operations ensured that opposition forces were unable to mobilize effectively, granting the coup leaders uncontested control over Santiago's strategic points.
La Moneda Palace became the focal point of the coup as Salvador Allende and his closest aides barricaded themselves inside. By 7:30 a.m., Allende had arrived at the palace, determined to resist the military's demands for his resignation. Armed with a small contingent of loyal security personnel and a few supporters, Allende rejected offers of safe passage out of the country, declaring that he would defend his presidency to the end.
The military issued an ultimatum to Allende at approximately 8:30 a.m., demanding that he surrender unconditionally. Allende refused, famously addressing the nation via Radio Magallanes around 9:10 a.m., in what would become his final speech. In his broadcast, Allende reaffirmed his commitment to the Chilean people, denouncing the coup as a betrayal of democracy and a tool of foreign imperialism.
By mid-morning, tanks and infantry units surrounded La Moneda, cutting off all access to and from the palace. Snipers were positioned on rooftops, while artillery was prepared to breach the building's defenses. The Air Force contributed by deploying fighter jets, a decisive move that underscored the junta's overwhelming firepower.
At 11:00 a.m., after another ultimatum was ignored, the military began bombarding La Moneda with heavy artillery. Hawker Hunter fighter jets strafed the palace, delivering precision strikes that caused significant damage. The psychological effect of the airstrikes was immense, as the explosions reverberated across the city, signaling the coup's seriousness and ruthlessness.
The Fall of La Moneda
By noon, La Moneda was engulfed in smoke and flames. The small contingent inside, including Allende, was running out of ammunition and options. The military intensified its assault, with ground forces breaching the palace's lower levels. Despite the hopeless situation, Allende refused to surrender. Around 1:30 p.m., with the palace in ruins and his presidency effectively over, Allende reportedly took his own life with an AK-47 rifle gifted to him by Fidel Castro.
The military secured La Moneda shortly after 2:00 p.m., raising the junta's flag over the smoldering ruins. Troops conducted a sweep of the building, detaining any survivors and seizing documents. The junta immediately announced that Allende was dead, framing his death as a suicide to delegitimize any potential martyrdom or rallying cry for resistance.
While the siege of La Moneda dominated the events in Santiago, the military worked to consolidate power across the country. In major cities like Valparaรญso, Concepciรณn, and Antostragasta, military units detained leftist political leaders, trade unionists, and suspected supporters of Allende's Popular Unity coalition. By the afternoon, stadiums, schools, and other large facilities were repurposed as detention centers, where thousands of individuals were interrogated, tortured, or executed.
The military junta issued decrees banning political parties, unions, and public assemblies. A curfew was declared, and military patrols roamed the streets, enforcing martial law. The use of propaganda continued, with radio broadcasts proclaiming the success of the coup and the beginning of a "new era" for Chile. By the end of the afternoon, resistance had been effectively crushed, and the junta was in full control of the country.
The new Junta de Gobierno was composed by Augusto Pinochet, Gustavo Leigh, Tobรญas Merino, and Cรฉsar Mendoza. With Congress closed now they ruled Chile becoming effectively the executive and legislative power.
So begins the Dictatorship
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high effort post
my alt now has -100 karma from too much trolling and is auto deleted on /r/rule34lol (they hate ai and I wanted to post it to annoy them as I think it will get upmarseyd)
someone post it there !
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about the train question
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Most of the comments are typical reddit (WHAT ABOUT INTERSEX PEOPLE HUH? HUH? HUH?) but there's one thread of sanity that surprisingly has upmarseys.
One person even dares to say the thing you're not supposed to nootice out loud:
Note the number of trans healthcare professionals in the comments here. I believe they are likely overrepresented in this thread in comparison to real life.
Go through the thread and you'll see loads of comments starting with "trans ___________ here" 
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A state senator in Mississippi has filed a bill entitled the "Contraception Begins at Erection Act."
As written by Sen. Bradford Blackmon, the bill would make it "unlawful for a person to discharge genetic material without the intent to fertilize an embryo."
There are also fines involved, the third strike resulting in the loss of $10,000 from the perpetrator.
In a statement to WLBT News, Blackmon wrote, "All across the country, especially here in Mississippi, the vast majority of bills relating to contraception and/or abortion focus on the woman's role when men are fifty percent of the equation.
This bill highlights that fact and brings the man's role into the conversation. People can get up in arms and call it absurd but I can't say that bothers me."
https://www.scribd.com/document/818973988/Contraception-Begins-at-Erection-Act
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Immediate family? No. The only other sibling is his sister and she's 20-ish. She does baby sit in fairness to her. Widening net to cousins etc none stepped forward. They definitely are there on my wife's side at least. Not sure about his side. (1595)
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I did that with another story the other day and I got the same thing ๐ Dead internet is looking really real rn (1294)
Are we the orphans of the dead internet? Who will care for us? (561)
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NAH. It's a devastatingly sad situation but your wife is doing what's best for her and you're doing what's best for the children. I can't get my head round your wife saying no either BUT she's not an AH for it. Some people really don't want kids and that's their right. Unfortunately, you may have to choose between them. (323)
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This is the correct response. You have not been an butthole. it's a tragic situation that said, she is not wrong either.This will most likely end your marriage and it's a tough spot you have to choose. She made it clear upfront her view of her life. You agreed to that view. Your view changed hers didn't. So you either go back to the lines you both drew together or get ready to start drawing lines without her. She's not wrong or a bad person for this. If you choose her you have to do it under the pretense you can never resent her for this. Can you do that? If you chose the kids and your marriage ends, would you ever resent the kids? There is not an option here that is not going to leave you with massive "what if" questions. Only you can decide what's most important. You are not the butthole unless you resent your decision and others suffer for it. She's not the butthole cause she is just keeping her word about what her life view is. There's nothing wrong with that.Edit due to the 100+ r... (795)
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Just because she doesn't want to do want you and op wants her to, doesn't make her a bad person. A bad person, is trying to force your beliefs onto others then, slandering them when they refuses. (1)
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