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Jannied for asking in bad faith. Tons of incessant chuddery and hand wringing in good faith.
There are many replicated studies showing IQ differences between races, so people who say otherwise are either uninformed or attempting to be politically correct. Your teacher is wrong unfortunately. The IQ differences are also at least partially explained by genetics.
Oh my god, where do I even start with this flaming hot dumpster fire of a comment? You rolled up here acting like you've cracked the genetic code of human intelligence, but all you've done is regurgitate centuries-old, debunked, pseudo-scientific garbage with the confidence of someone who skimmed one bad blog post and decided they're an expert. Let's tear this apart
First off, "replicated studies"? Really? That's the hill you're dying on? Newsflash, IQ differences between groups don't prove some grand genetic narrative, they prove we live in a world rife with inequities. Poverty, education quality, systemic discrimination, ring any bells? Oh, wait, let me guess, you skimmed a headline and decided all these factors are just "politically correct excuses." Actual scientists, you know,the kind who publish peer-reviewed research and don't just scream into the void online, have consistently shown that environmental factors account for these differences. Your take isn't just wrong, it just stupidly,embarrassingly simplistic.
Let's talk about race for a second. You do realize race isn't some neat biological category, right? It's a social construct, a messy one at that. The genetic diversity within any so-called racial group is greater than the differences between groups. So your whole "race = IQ" argument doesn't even make it out of the starting gate. It's like saying people with big feet are better at math because shoe size must correlate with intelligence. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds? Because everyone else does.
Your weak little disclaimer about not using this to judge individuals. Congrats on trying to sound reasonable while peddling a racist framework. That's like saying, "Hey, I'm just pointing out how pineapples ruin pizza, but don't judge each slice on an individual basis." You're still serving up garbage. Your argument isn't bold or groundbreaking, it's tired. It's ignorant. It's been dismantled so many times by actual experts that bringing it up now is like showing up to a chess match with checkers pieces and insisting you're winning. Next time, maybe spend less energy parroting outdated eugenics nonsense and more time engaging with actual research. Or, you know, just sit this one out entirely. We'd all be better off.
Could you send me the information that lead you to the conclusions of "Actual scientists, you know,the kind who publish peer-reviewed research and don't just scream into the void online, have consistently shown that environmental factors account for these differences.". From my understanding, environmental factors most certainly play a large role in IQ, especially poverty and malnutrition, but I'm not familiar with any research that shows environment explaining anywhere close to all the variance in IQ between or within groups.
use your brain here, depending on where you are born, you have genetics in line with that population/ethnicity you're from. literally anything: skin colour, eye colour, muscle mass, bone density, lung capacity will vary between ethnicities. why on earth is IQ different?
Precisely. The only reason it's denied is because the implications are bleak and immuttable.
Pretty people privilege is another one many don't like to touch at all. Attractiveness and intelligence are the two privileges that transcend all others. If youre honest and attentive, you'll notice that most of the people crying about privilege online are often lacking in both.
There are. It's just a forbidden topic because it upsets people.
I don't think there's a differentiation with race, more like country since your intelligence heavily relies on multiple external factors which aren't innate/genetic.
Anyone who's downmarseying me is obviously white lol.
I at least upmarseyd because I agree.
Yea, as we all know the average iq is probably higher in small university towns too, not surprising due to the selection of people that arrive to town and the heritability of iq. But we shut the f up about that too. We don't express it that way because we all know that the unwashed masses and the woke left and the unhinged right will make any discussion impossible so just drop the subject if you want to stay sane.
Well the argument is almost always done in bad faith. It's almost alway to show that a certain race or group is naturally dumber than another. It holds 0 real benefit. Race is also a pretty ambiguous term because there is a ridiculous amount of genetic diversity in most "races"
How is there 0 benefit in understanding that cognitive ability varies for genetic reasons between groups? If we knew that this was the case, maybe we wouldn't have invested trillions of dollars into affirmative action and educational intervention for the purpose of remediating said differences? As long as the assumption that these gaps exist for purely environmental reasons, people will continue to believe that the White Europeans are responsible for oppressing those others to the degree that such differences manifest.
Geneticist here! Also gifted URM.
Two important factors to consider: 1. Genetic differences: Intelligence is a polygenic trait, meaning it is influenced by many genes. Currently, not all the genes associated with intelligence have been identified. In fact, there are still many gaps in our understanding of the genetic basis for various traits. For example, services like 23andMe sometimes make incorrect predictions (e.g., they claim I have wavy hair, which I don't). Until we fully understand the genetic factors that contribute to intelligence, we can't definitively determine how it varies across populations. 2. Environmental influences: IQ is often confounded with factors like poverty, education, and access to resources. At present, most identified gifted children come from stable, supportive households where parents have the time and resources to nurture their potential. In contrast, moderately gifted children from less privileged backgrounds may not be as readily identified, as they often lack access to the same opportunities and enrichment. This means our awareness of giftedness is highly skewed by socioeconomic factors.
As you can probably guess, race, culture, and poverty are deeply interconnected due to historical and systemic inequalities. Until we can fully disentangle the effects of these factors, any conclusions about the prevalence of giftedness across racial or cultural groups come with significant caveats.
Why do poor whites, asians, and jews commit significantly less crime than would be predicted of their socioeconomic status? Why has there not been a single study that shows socioeconomic intervention has been effective in reducing these so called "environmental factors"?
poor white british people in council estate areas in england are in the top 5 parts of england with the highest crime rate
The British Empire sent their criminals to Australia and the prison colonies of Georgia, America, and Australia has been doing pretty great lately.
yeah hundreds of years ago not now you are just denying statistics two of the top 5 worst areas for crime in england were over 92% white middlesborough and cleveland search it up for urself the other 3 were black areas you just deny data its unbelievable
I'm just pointing out a whole bunch of criminals were sent to Australia, and they made a functioning society. That's pretty impressive.
There are, but it's taboo to talk about it.
how come in India punjab has an iq of 96 and uttar pradesh is around 70-80 its a lot to do with financial aswell
May I see the study that purports Punjab IQ to be an average of 96?
https://raceandiqmyths.blogspot.com/2016/12/average-iq-of-india-and-iq-map-of-india.html
its actually 99
Read "The Bell Curve "
this is like saying "read mein kampf"
There is a notable difference between the mean IQ of different races, with Asians testing the highest followed by whites then Latinx then blacks, but it's a topic that a lot of people aren't emotionally ready to handle. See this cartoon for a funny take on the controversy.
If you want to learn more, you can always read The Bell Curve, which dove deep into this topic. You could also look into the Minnesota Study of Twins Raised Apart (MINSTRA), which found that genetics plays arguably the biggest role in intelligence, estimated at around 70 - 75%. The role of environment also plays a role but as children become adults, the effects of genetics become more pronounced and environment less pronounced.
this is fricking insane. you just linked to a white supremacist comic made by a literal nazi, then linked to a book by a fricking white supremacist who claims that the reason for the current social strata is that women, black people and latinx people are fundamentally stupider than white men and as such can't compete in the workplace.
when you start linking nazis and white supremacists to back up your points you need to start realising you're insane.
And you follow progressive values that led to 1920's Progressive eugenics that Nazi's learned their methodology from? 1920's Progressives were sending Native Americans to the reservation. 1920's Progressives were experimenting on minorities, but you're a Progressive, right? By the way, Progressive Christian values that were reactionary to traditional christianity.
quite possibly the most insane take you could've had. this sub is parroting the talking points of eugenicists.
there's nothing progressive about the nazis. there's nothing progressive about christianity. the real progressives in germany were researching about trans ppl before they were all killed and all their books and research was burned by the nazis.
nazis were insanely reactionary. literally complete opposite of being progressive lmao.
also "reactionary to traditional christianity"???? do you know what reactionary means??
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Trump frees another neighbor from the tyrannical Dems
The letter notes "independent reasons" as to why Adams' case was being tossed — including that the case was retribution for him speaking out against the Biden administration for its handling of the migrant crisis.
"It cannot be ignored that Mayor Adams criticized the prior Administration's immigration policies before the charges were filed, and the former US Attorney's public actions created appearances of impropriety…"
https://old.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1imksh1/justice_dept_to_seek_dismissal_of_federal/
https://old.reddit.com/r/newyorkcity/comments/1iml2n0/justice_department_to_drop_federal_corruption/
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BREAKING: Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau to resign this week.
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I used to actually smoke I don't understand why it hit me so hard. Getting old sucks.
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Time to tell no one. Job application asks if you have a disability? Nope, nah, zero, ive never been disabled in my entire life. I'm so abled that actually I'm super abled, my IQ is 300 and I came out socializing before I was even born.
If you can't be clocked as an neurodivergent and weren't already doing this, you are in fact mentally disabled and saying this would be a lie.
Obviously horrible but also obviously was going to happen as soon as the orange guy got into office. Neurodivergent people were targeted in 1930's Germany. Orange man surrounds himself with Nazis. The frick did people think was going to happen?
You forgot to say it only impacts US.
Ireland has definitely been trying to improve attitudes towards all kinds of disabilities too.
I notice it's typical for Americans to perceive that they are centre of universe. Very sad approach to reality
yeh the Australian government is developing specific policy to enable greater employment of neurodivergents and action plans for support of neurodivergents in the workplace
We're all living in America!
I don't know... All I know is that my entire life my autism has been a barrier to my work experiences rather than a key. I can just cloak my autism. I'm pretty slow and without something like Ritalin or Concerta I process things very slow. My work speed has never been enough for any of my bosses and I've been fired from electrical jobs multiple times for it.
DEI has never benefited me.
!crossword Six across: slow, as a fire.
It's time to mask 100% all the time for your own safety
You were able to act normal this whole time and you were just choosing not to?
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idk what to use it for but give me 100,000 DC
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I know celebrities are hesitant to weigh in on hot button issues, so I appreciate Sheryl Crow making an argument here—not through words alone, but through her actions— that Congress should not force taxpayers to subsidize NPR.
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Bravo 👏 https://t.co/ZbOLPKvSHk
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!sex_havers good for him but she's going to raise tard baby
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Christ loves you, stop being evil ffs, bad vibes from your brain are like peices of microplastics stuck in your grey matter. They stay there forever. And once theyre gone and you no longer think bad thoughts, if all you have is negativity, next life you wont have a brain to use @ all, prove me wrong on that, have you seen medical diseases in thsoe who are born, yet toy beleive in afterlife, reincarnation and akrma..smh.
Goodluck. And yes im tlaking to specially you sweet heart.
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I was talking to @PegMeMommy about Valentine's Day. I was telling him about how me and my siblings got our mom flowers and stuff for Valentine's Day. During the conversation he said he had never heard of kids getting their mom something for Valentine's Day, and he doesn't know anyone who does this. For me, this is the opposite: Where I'm from, everyone gets their mother something. Now both of us are wondering which is normal.
Decided to make a poll!
Do you buy your mother something Valentine's Day?
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