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EFFORTPOST 4lung Train Furry Libertarian ABDL Dramarama - The Big Babyfur Audit - NEW Ping Group! :marseyjam: :marseyscream:

READING NOTE: For ghostarchive conversations involving protected accounts - check the page title to see all the relevant names!

A few weeks ago, these were handed out[-2] at a public playground in Seattle. The responsible party was an unknown quantity of people attending a regular local fetish meet.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566057583363.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566061042302.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733956606140069.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566078022628.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566099595914.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566120622513.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566150222137.webp

Yes, that's just project mayhem ...but rslurred. :marseyretard2:

*record scratch* ...but, how did we get here? *Youtube channel intro :marseymetokur:*

First, some ground rules:

To ensure that there is no room for confusion, I'm going to be focusing solely on individuals directly endorsing/advocating libertarianism or associating with those that do. Consider the "cub" question (Upcoming C++ proposal! :pepehacker:) to be stricken from today's arguments.

Hopefully this will convince those naughty chuds warming up their inevitable "heh, just another loser mindbroken over cub art. nothingburger :chudspin: :marseysal:" to go back to their tried and tested "Jokes in text so clearly condemning libertarianism in bad faith :marseyindignantturn:".

These zines were created by online furry libertarian artist, Nicholas Munger, under the alias "Fwucky". (Who will now be referred to as "Nick" because no way am I typing his stupid online handle any more than I have to. He also had "normal" accounts under the alias "bigtoasty".

Here's a sample of some of his art:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566256786952.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566258994029.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733956626342328.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566261991978.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566266813698.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566270851912.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733956627319974.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566276850238.webp

Note the triangular and pawprint swirls. Libertarian symbols btw.[0]

4lung is a fairly well known train musician in the furry scene. Specifically, the babyfur scene. :marseybib:[1]

4lung is reportedly IRL friends with Nick and gets very cagey when asked about their relationship - responding with shit like the following:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566250372062.webp

(Note that this is in response to a previous instance of them being linked together - specifically when the first "pediverse" (https://archive.ph/7lheg) document dropped and they were listed as being associated. Their name was removed from the list under mysterious conditions; they never publically disassociated like they were asked.)

Obviously I'm just being a big meanie :marseymeangirls: and bullyciding a babyfur trans queen :wariotransrights: :marseytransflag2: because they go to the same tightknit fetish meet[5] as various libertarian advocates (including the one they've never heard of) and keep appearing next to people getting exposed as predators. (nekozuna, Matthew Paul Wienecke/Stwawbwewymilk and our upcoming exclusive drama)[2.1]

I could go on a tangent about all the circumstantial evidence of an association between 4lung and Nick :debunked: such as them living in the same city, tagging next to eachother (Timing of vandalism unconfirmed but the consistent proximity and long timeframe go beyond "coincidence"), the confusing motive of Nick trying to smear someone he "doesn't really know" as supporting his libertarian social views and doing so over a prolonged period, 4lung's bizarre responses about Nick until asked point blank about the zines... :platysleeping:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566251049633.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733956625384404.webp

...but why whittle my fingers down when I can just reveal another fricking libertarian that they're CURRENTLY friends with?

They've been interacting as far back as 2021 and eventually collaboratined on an album in 2023.

Let me introduce "KandiCritter".

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/woDwV

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/eqv4Q

Let's look at that Xitter :marseyelonmusk: profile.

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/hVgPo

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566161932518.webp

Hmm. "anti-c".

That's as-in "anti-contact". As-in, "I'm a libertarian, but have an 'anti-contact' stance regarding children".[7]

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/fdTBG

Also, nootice how they privated their twitter around February. Coincidentally just as the first para-files doc on the "pediverse" dropped.[ฯช]

https://www.ghostarchive.org/archive/jjuXD

Here's that album they collaborated on and some of their contact over the years:

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/woDwV

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566278335004.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566282230303.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566286633666.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733956629096076.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566295396361.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566299826798.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733956630350042.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566307049522.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566310294716.webp

Kandi was originally a footnote but the moment I saw it, I shat bricks :throwbrick: and it went straight here. Special thanks to @Z for baiting me into searching "babyfur" on bandcamp and finding this. :marseysaluteisrael:

While looking for information on some 4cuck archives, I notice this peculiar exchange in a random /trash/ gooning thread...

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566313879738.webp

Now. I can't prove anything ...but I think anon just accidentally hooked a big one! :marseybaited: :marseyplaying: Where have we seen that style of style of response before? :marseyderp:


Notes:

[-2]

Technically unknown if these were actually handed out or if it was aborted due to backlash. A number of them were prepared for distribution however.

[0]

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566168157656.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566206018693.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566244681845.webp

[1]

(And thus, DJ Rankin can finally rest in peace - no longer the worst disease that happy hardcore has inflicted upon humanity)

[2.1]

And, just to clarify. There was a big stink about a "kidnapping" that 4lung allegedly performed.

It was sussy as frick (Driving a minor home? Really?) but there's enough reasonable doubt to have been a misunderstanding. Consider it struck from the record.

Current events do make it seem less innocent though :imwatchingyou:

[5]

A meet which used promotional art from Nick with the organizer (June/FUNNYDOGMEATS) diligently blocking anyone :marseyerasure: :stoningbans: who asked about his association (as confirmed by the-para-files in their tumblr comments)

Also the organizer was in close contact with today's featured drama.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566316115878.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566320284274.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566324596257.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566330401607.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566334099965.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566338599122.webp

[ฯช]

Sidenote: Love how those guys do all this important research behind a closed telegram group so that no-one can see. Apparently warning people is letting the groomers win.

Thanks guys, you rock! :#baffledsamhyde:

[7]

Technically, "anti-contact" refers to all "Paraphile" identities. "Paraphile" herein meaning "advocate and/or practitioner of libertarian/zoo/incest/etc."

...but I've only ever seen it used in regards to libertarianism with an optional !zoochads combo. "plain" zoophiles usually just use the zeta symbol.

https://www.ghostarchive.org/archive/uHgvr

Also, nobody cares about incest :mariosleeping: outside of a certain subset of angry zoomers. Ben 10 fans will always be valid :marseyben10: :marseyletsgo:

It could also hypothetically mean "I'm not a libertarian, I just support them" but somehow I don't think we need to debunk that rightwing conspiracy theory. :surerex: :picard: :bitchplease:

In addendum, I'll bring up the "therian" symbol: ฮ˜ฮ”

I've only ever seen it used in disreputable situations (a certain therian mastodon instance is pretty notorious for it's libertarian users) but I'm not prepared to call it on the same level as anything "paraphile".


Just to be safe, I'm going to quickly go through every collaborator that my nooticedar can find info on

Daxbak

NOT a collaborator but in the special thanks. DFE without a word a year or two ago. One brave kiwi :marseykiwimom: set out to solve this perplexing case and found...

Daxbak's boyfriend, Jack Isaac "ChubbsBare" Bare.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566163753188.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566165358639.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566166362958.webp

RANDOM OBSERVATIONS == A.K.A. "Kinda sus but no eject. :gayamongus: :trollsus:" ==

Hexy/BabyfucBongRips

Protected around the same time as 4lung. Still in regular contact with Kandi.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566342605767.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733956634610263.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/173395663499513.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566353719351.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566357595253.webp

https://www.sotwe.com/Zhayde

Zhayde

Some guy that commissions tons of Kircai art and is close friends with Kandi.

https://www.ghostarchive.org/archive/ER75W

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/qM29l

(Conversation images in comments. Upload limit hit)

Here's Kandi recommending that the organizer of the fetish meet talk to Zhayde

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/YhOBm

BubblePuppers

Please note that I'm not accusing this guy of anything. He and Kandi have never interacted and I'm only posting him here because my nooticedar picked him up as a tertiary connection. :marseyschizowall:

Popular artist who's done art for 4lung in the past and is close to one of Kandi's friends (Hexy) but otherwise doesn't seem to be involved.

https://rawrdcore.bandcamp.com/album/act-my-age (https://ghostarchive.org/archive/MZbOE)

"Special commission for some cool friends! [Hexy and possibly some others that I don't recognoze]"(https://e621.net/posts/5039593)

https://web.archive.org/web/20220410215255/https://twitter.com/babyfurbongrips/status/1513267117428293634

Highly unlikely to be in in the Seattle clique because he's Latinx and lives in Mexico (Viva la RAZA! :marseykkk:). https://www.ghostarchive.org/archive/w9E3e

It's worth noting that this guy has privated his twitter a few times in the past and recently went through an OC rebrand (between march and june according to IA)

I don't mean that he got a new OC. I mean that he erased nearly every picture of his previous OC and deleted a lot of personal tweets. Now he only posts art.

This was LONG post trainout too. The ironic part is that now only the male version remains.

Just to clarify: I will NEVER criticize someone for keeping their stupid personal shit off their art twitter. That's a GOOD thing. ...weird to see it all vanish though.

And, this is complete conjecture here but... His fursona is oddly similar to 4lung's old one ...just fatter! :satokohoujoufan: :marseylaugh: Bizarre.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17339566245660038.webp

This next one's just for fun and not even a collaborator. :lolface: (and also technically a declaration of "dindu nuffin". I'm only putting him here because he's the earthly embodiment of that red soyjak with steam coming from his ears. :soyjakyell:)

Kircai

I can't connect him to anything nasty but his account protection is kinda sussy. Maybe it was Pmurt Dlanod, idk. :marseytrump:

He's spoken with KandiCritter a few times but not often. NEXT!

In this line of thinking :marseymisinformation:, I decided to check out the (now nuked) twitter of

Snazithus

I have no idea why this guy has such massive clout behind the scenes because his public feed is nothing but retweets peppered with white hot wingcucked tantrums. :platysun2: Seriously, he's on another level when it comes to getting mad. He makes Kircai look like Buddha. :marseymonk:

Is this the smoking gun PROVING ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT SNAZITHUS R*PES CHILDREN? :marseypoggers:

...nah! He just pulled aggro with his election day meltdown and all the little chuddies :chuddyhappy: ganked him until he died :chudcowboy: :chudtoilet: :chudheartwarming:


FINAL NOTE

And thus, I hearby announce the opening of !abdl. A new ping group for ABDL drama (there's lots of it! :pepedevil:) and interest topics. :donkeykongveryhard:

...and if you haven't already - check out my original drama writeup on the creepy owner of Adult Baby Universe!

https://rdrama.net/post/151845/casey-strom-the-owner-of-adult

This post is dedicated to my cat who had to be put down recently. :derpcrying:

Pour one out for my little BIPOC! :marseycantsneed: :shyyt:

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Official rDrama announcement regarding the FAKE trump victory

this alleged victory changed nothing, chuds here will continue to be hunted like the CATTLE they are

rDrama's only purpose will continue to be being a safespace for sharing gay porn, nothing more, nothing less

dont like it? go use these other reddit-like sites instead:

!metashit !jannies !nonchuds !khive !lgbt !gayporn !gay !gaystapo

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Trouble in Poonerdise :marseypooner:. Famous comic poon depoons! :pooner:

					
					

An example of the comics in question

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1738023590j48-gPRtejakRA.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17380235907Ws7T02ICKkXTA.webp

its got that twee millenial comic style you all know and love.

The tumblr post announcing the depooning

https://mantimecomic.tumblr.com/post/772596812377980928/hello-all

I'll preface this post by saying that it's not a political statement. I have no agenda here other than telling my own story, and I have no ill-will towards anyone in this community.

I'm detransitioning. I have many reasons โ€“ Some related to my medical health, some to my mental and emotional health, and some to changing feelings about my identity. I won't go into too much detail here, as I like to keep my private life private.

I will share that the medical issues testosterone caused me had to do with reproductive system health, blood pressure and cholesterol, undiagnosed polycythemia, and mental health issues. I'm not a doctor, so I'm not in a position to make any medical statements.

However I feel that I have the obligation and the right to share my story about how testosterone was harmful to me. Because of these side effects, and the psychological trauma I experienced due to them, I began to reconsider how I feel about my identity and my body.

I came to the conclusion that I'm simply a masculine lesbian woman. Transition wasn't the right path for me. So I've reversed course and am becoming the person I feel I was meant to be all along. My feelings of gender dysphoria have been resolved. Through detransition, my medical and mental health issues have also for the most part resolved, and I'm feeling much happier and more optimistic for the future!

That's my truth. Your truth may be different, and I respect that. Please take a moment to think before you send hate messages. I'm not putting any hate out here and I'd appreciate it if you all would meet me with the same respect. And no, my account has not been hacked. I stopped posting new work here because of what I've been going through, and because it started to feel disingenuous when my mindset about my identity shifted.

My intentions with this post are to share my story and to reach out so that followers who are going through similar things know that they're not alone and there is support. If you're struggling, feel free to reach out in my DMs. I can connect you to support groups and try to help you find any resources you may need.

Thank you all for supporting my comic and for the years of good vibes! I'll make an update if I decide to start sharing work on a new account.

Signing off ๐Ÿซก

Tumblrinas in shambles :hysterical:

--

some tumblr sneed

musculargarbageman said: great. just pls don't become a transphobic grifter who does misinformation interviews for right-wing newspapers about how The Evil Trans Agenda or sth pressured you into HRT and how nobody told you that T has side-effects. have a good cisgender life queen ๐Ÿ‘

:marseyseethe:

learningtofindmybrightside said: As long as you still stand beside trans people, then you should be able to do whatever you want with your body

:marseyseethe:

They sound very happy for her.


What do commenters on 4tran4 have to say about it?

https://old.reddit.com/r/4tran4/comments/1ibdbax/jesus_frick_ok_this_might_be_my_13th_reason/

For context, it's this artist. One of my biggest inspirations for trans guy art in general, if even they aren't actually a man, who is? Will everyone else detransition? Why do I keep seeing this happen??

>if even they aren't actually a man, who is?

brb kms I'm gonna have to rep forever if even this guy can't make it

:marseysmirk: so close

What the heck

:marseyburn:

god fricking darn it can ftms stop fricking detransitioning PLEASE

They're ruining it for the rest of us ๐Ÿ˜ก

:marseypoonerdeathpose:

Do eff tee ems detransition more than em tee effs?

Anecdotally, a metric shit ton more of ftms detransition. I couldn't name one mtf that has personally

they noootice :marseynooticeglow:

Terf in 3...2...1...

:#marseysickos2:

this is pretty much why i rep. what's the point of transitioning when so many of ftms end up inevitably detransitioning anyways. iwnbarm and all that

The point is to become a stealth ftChad who will never de:marseytrain2:

:marseydeadpooner:

Much more sneed in the 4train thread anyway. Stay strong pooners!

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i hate wrasslin' fans

shilling :!marseytrain:s, a youtube channel, and chris chan. :uhuh:

back in my day we had REAL WRASSLIN' SIGNS

[tumblr_ndppwag1mj1qm9odpo1_500-1416127163.avif]

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739409795aNdIEoFXLKyGRQ.webp

eddie was mexican but i'm sure i don't have to tell you that everyone knows dead wrasslers

edit: why didn't that first pic work is it just me it's the RODDY HAS AIDS sign

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739410048T7zLUCnKvKzTpA.webp

is it gonna work this time does rdrama just hate stuff saved from tumblr

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:marseynull: vs :marseyfatrick: Who will enjoy prison? & A MATI Listener claims to also have had success by appealing "I AM INDIAN" to twitter

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1736117743IljX76CV9RabSg.webp

direct link to fatrick tweet

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mad-at-the-internet.49299/post-20237740

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1736118293nis6qL8yLzE-pw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1736118293eEcLCf4Te88g2g.webp

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Taylor's about to be single again!
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Is this gay or should I keep working on it? It's a tribute to some dead raccoons.

!coons

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Ever wonder where all the r-slurs who show up at protests come from? :npc:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1737139293FLMNH8LI1eWABQ.webp

Probably employs the same people you get from rent-a-drunk temp agencies.

:#marseystinky:

Sadly, looks like we won't be getting any totes authentic grassroots kitty hat marches for the inauguration.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/173713929311aydnZy3XDQtA.webp

Protesters-for-hire firm sees dropoff in inquiries from Democratic groups 'dejected' after 2024 election loss

https://www.foxnews.com/media/protesters-hire-firm-dropoff-inquiries-democratic-groups-dejected-election-loss

:#marseyitsover:

I wonder how much it would cost to hire them to spam bardfinn with ywnbaw posting?

:#marseywereback:

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  • Wuzizname : I don't work for you.
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100 dc to anybody who tweets to Elon Musk's official twitter handle the Message I have for him in the post.

The Message:

"Elon. You know the world is not surviving till 2100. You need to stop with the dumb distractions because we need more than 10,000 people on Mars before 2050 if we are going to survive the collapse. Good luck."

Send me a screencap of the message being tweeted to Elon and I will transfer you 100 dc.

Preferably as many of you send the message to him as possible.

This is important. I have checked with both AI and psychic sources. This needs to be done now.

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Weekly "What are you watching?" Thread

Severance is mid

Landman is slopaganda

Anora is an gopnik incel fantasy

KNEECAP is the best film of the decade

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Follow up to this and this

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1736281120yfJdquJxbolBKw.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1736281120YvgMNk1q86cMFg.webp

You can't deny how well he embodies British culture, innit. :marseybong:

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I am constantly insulted on this platform.
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Enough about Israel. Let's talk about a different country

					
					
					
	

				
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Snopes chuds out too :marseytranspearlclutch:

!transphobes !nooticers lmao

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-executive-order-all-humans-female/

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Pope Francis :marseypope: has pneumonia in both lungs , Vatican says

https://rdrama.net/h/dioceseofrdrama/post/321468/the-prophecymarseyfortunetellerof-st-malachy-pope-francis

https://rdrama.net/h/maxn/post/343602/terrifying-doomsday-fish-carpwave-found-on

https://media.tenor.com/WhVNa2s7FcQAAAAx/tedlasso-yikes.webp

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White people can't behave. WPT locks all posts

					
					

https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1isip8c/the_guardrails_were_never_there_were_they/

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739916261cbkovvoBkRd91w.webp

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It's the perfect time to commit terrorism.

That HOA you've always yearned to oust in a violent coup?

1. No one is coming to check on your hedges. Let them grow.

2. Lawn ornaments? Back in vogue.

3. Poisoning your neighbors' overgrown plants is simply castle theory applied.

4. Plaster stickers with QR links to this hellscape everywhere so they too must suffer.

Also expel the Jews from the river to the sea.

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:marseychingchongraging: :!marseychingchongpearlclutch:
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Most Based Comments

Basedness: ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜

I also dont get why they changed it with a pride/transflag. Where is the connection between doom and trans people? The doomslayer is just killing demons. Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less. (559)

The doom subreddit supports trans g*mersHope that clears things upย  (-128)

Basedness: ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜

Why would they feel the need to support that? Its unrelated to Doom and the fandom. (84)

Because they want to? What's wrong with that? (-37)

Basedness: ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ”˜

I support the legalization of marijuana. Doesnt mean i have to put weed on a sub thats not about weed (157)

I mean if it scare away the anti-weed crowd, it might be worth it. I remember wanting to buy a bunch of satanic stuff, so that door to door religious people would stop knocking at my door. But pretty sure the HOA would complain about that. (-49)

Angriest Comments

Angriness: ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก

Honestly, I'm tired of arguing. I've said all that needed to be said. If you want to keep pretending that colors and shapes don't shape meaning or influence perception, that's on you. But you might want to think about how much those "scary colors" really don't matter, until they start influencing what everyone else thinks the space represents. Just remember, you can slap any flag on anything, but that doesn't mean it's neutral. May you find the truth within. (8)

Ask yourself, what is worse about Nazis, the shapes and colors of their emblems they use or the actions they take?The emblems are only seen as bad, because they represent the bad actions of bad peopleThe rainbows and LGBTQ flag is only bad if you believe it represents bad people doing bad things, and I simply don't believe that it represents bad people doing bad things.if you don't give a shit about shapes and color and look at things for the substantive and material impacts, then it becomes a lot easier to not lose your mind when a subreddit decides to change it's banner to scary colors you don't like.If gay people started seizing the majority political power and using to to create material harms that resulted in death, or human rights violations, that is an entirely separate issue than a t-shirt or subreddit banner simply having a rainbow (0)

Angriness: ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก

This is a great example on why Trump won. These people have gotten so obnoxious, that the average normal person is fed up with this type of thing (41)

Crossdessers have existed since forever but no one really paid them much mind because they kind of just did their own thing. If you didn't hang out at gay bars, you might not have even known they existed. :!marseytrain:s these days go out of their way to make sure you know they exist in the most annoying way possible, and then they act like you're the crazy one when you're like "shut the frick up weirdo, everyone is tired of your shit." No one is trying to take their rights or oppress them or whatever the frick they think is going on. They just need to keep their gay and cringe shit to themselves instead of trying to force in on people. (11)

Angriness: ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก

I really don't think they are the ones who made their identities political. (1)

Yeah no, it was "the enemy". And the enemy has to be fought and insulted, and the enemy is bigoted and kicks puppies. Any kind of evil action is allowed against "the enemy" because of the paradox of tolerance. The enemy wants to deny your existence. That's classic crybully rhetoric used all trough out history. (1)

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The tone is dark, even angry.

"The situation is getting worse every day."

"We don't see the goal. Our land is not here."

I wrote multiple times that Ukraine is holding Kursk territory in hope that they get to exchange it for something.

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That what they roughly lost since they hold Kursk territory

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Kursk territory is more zoomed as you see on marks and there is literally nothing there except Sudzha had 6k people so no more than 10k lived in territory.

Kursk oblast has 36/km2 people and 2200/km2 in Kursk

Donetsk oblast 160/km2 its most populous oblast in Ukraine (Kiev is not oblast tho)

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733410051582393.webp

And metallurgy wise Donbas is like super important to Ukraine

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100521740503.webp

Russian now reached shevchenko that means just a bit push to north and this will happen:

Oleksandr Kalenkov, head of Ukraine's steelmakers' association, said the loss of the Pokrovsk mine, the only domestic source of coking coal, could cause steel production to slump.

"We could make up to 7.5 million metric tons of steel by the end of the year and, for next year, we saw an increase in production to over 10 million," Kalenkov told Reuters.

"But if we lose Pokrovsk, then ... we will fall to 2-3 million tons."

It's very big deal because during conflicts, since metal and coke is used to produce weapons so wiping out 70-80% of your enemy metal production is big deal

"We don't know where to get coal if Pokrovsk is seized," he told Reuters. "It is difficult to bring it in by importing; today it is not so easy to bring it in by sea."

Ukraine produced more than 4.3 million tons of rolled steel products in January-August 2024, of which 66% were exported. EU countries accounted for 72% of the volume exported, according to the steelmakers' union.

So as you see it becomes costlier to support Ukraine. Now not only EU won't buy cheap steel from Ukraine but they also will need to support Ukraine with steel so they could produce weapons and it will be a b-word to do.

And Ukraine got in such situation because they decided to send all their elites to Kursk. Probably to capture the nuclear power plant because Ukraine also has problem with electricity so losing coal is extra damage. They failed at it, logical move would been to pull back when it was clear they won't capture it. So when best Ukrainian units were banzaing in Kursk oblast. Pokrovsk front got wrecked.

Almost four months after Ukrainian troops launched a lightning offensive into the Russian region of Kursk, text messages from soldiers fighting there paint a dismal picture of a battle they don't properly understand and fear they might be losing.

https://media.tenor.com/rx1mf5pneKAAAAAx/what-a-surprise-dumisani-mbebe.webp

They speak of dire weather conditions and a chronic lack of sleep caused by Russia's constant bombardment, which includes the use of terrifying, 3,000kg glide bombs.

The first week Ukraine lost tons of AD including multiple patriots. Around March Russian got new lancet drones that had more range than patriots so pulling AD close to the front line is easy way to lose it. So Ukrainian are in Russian territory literally without AD. So strategically Russia had no reason to rush pushing Ukrainian out. And that story about NK ended up being fake and only genius like @pizzashill believed in it. Reason for NK story was that west is running out of ammo and SK had tons of it so khohols politician who are clearly r-slurs and don't understand Asia thought story of NK would push SK supporting Ukraine but they recently closed all help to Ukraine and told them hard no.

@pizzashill here another shit you'll believe

https://i.rdrama.net/images/173341005283976.webp

They're also in retreat, with Russian forces gradually retaking territory.

"This trend will continue," Pavlo wrote on 26 November. "It's only a matter of time."

Legendary high moral.

Pavlo spoke of immense fatigue, the lack of rotation and the arrival of units, made up largely of middle-aged men, brought directly from other fronts with little or no time to rest in between.

To hear soldiers complain - about their commanding officers, orders and lack of equipment - is hardly unusual. It's what soldiers often do in difficult circumstances.

Ukraine now losing in every front including Kursk and they pulling men out of other front much more important than Kursk. To hold some field in Kursk.

Also important note, this year was very green (grassy) so Ukrainian used the forest to attack Kursk oblast but during wonder leaves falls so they can't really hide or build fortifications.

Some questioned whether one of the operation's initial goals - to divert Russian soldiers from Ukraine's eastern front - had worked.

It absolutely has, pull more Ukrainian soldiers from all other fronts

https://media.tenor.com/T6RHt0Bt3qYAAAAx/ryan-gosling-critics-choice-awards.webp

The orders now, they said, were to hang onto this small sliver of Russian territory until a new US president, with new policies, arrives in the White House at the end of January.

"The main task facing us is to hold the maximum territory until Trump's inauguration and the start of negotiations," Pavlo said. "In order to exchange it for something later. No-one knows what."

I'll comment about it later because it's just a bit to much of a

https://media.tenor.com/9CkUIeOVKycAAAAx/food-chef.webp

President Zelensky indicated that both sides had the change of US administration in mind.

"I am sure that he [Putin] wants to push us out by 20 January," he said.

You know the beautiful part about Zelensky he always says that Putin want to capture X by some date

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100534681528.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733410053868285.webp

Also he told about bakhmut and etc.

When we didn't got even a single time confirmed by Putin.

In an effort to help Ukraine thwart Russian counterattacks in Kursk, the US, UK and France have all permitted Kyiv to use long-range weapons on targets inside Russia.

It doesn't seem to have done much to lift spirits.

"No-one sits in a cold trench and prays for missiles," Pavlo said.

Wrong Redditors are praying from their desktop trench

In October alone, Russia was able to occupy an estimated 500 sq km of Ukrainian territory, the most it's taken since the early days of the full-scale invasion in 2022.

In November they took more :marseynails:

And high chances that December will be even more since 3 key cities are going gg

Toretsk is as good as gone

This is also a good proof since every time Ukraine is about to lose a city they crying about the city being destroyed

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100540188537.webp

Russian already captured Komar so Novasylka now has no roads leading to that city (western road is also cut)

The fight in Kurakhove is now in the power plant so at the outskirts of the city.

And despite weeks of reports suggesting that as many as 10,000 North Korean troops have been sent to Kursk to join the Russian counter-offensive, the soldiers we've been in contact have yet to encounter them.

@pizzashill where are north Korean troops ?

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100562951522.webp

"I haven't seen or heard anything about Koreans, alive or dead," Vadym responded when we asked about the reports.

The Ukrainian military has released recordings which it says are intercepts of North Korean radio communications.

Soldiers said they had been told to capture at least one North Korean prisoner, preferably with documents.

They spoke of rewards - drones or extra leave - being offered to anyone who successfully captures a North Korean soldier.

https://media.tenor.com/JH1BMo99OxoAAAAx/chris-evans-sexy.webp

They treating North Koreans like call of duty kill steaks

"It's very difficult to find a Korean in the dark Kursk forest," Pavlo noted sarcastically. "Especially if he's not here."

@pizzashill

Veterans of previous doomed operations see parallels in what's happening in Kursk.

From October 2023 until July this year, Ukrainian forces attempted to hold onto a tiny bridgehead at Krynky, on the left bank of the Dnipro River, some 25 miles (40km) upstream from the liberated city of Kherson.

The bridgehead, initially intended as a possible springboard for advances further into Russian-held territory in southern Ukraine, was eventually lost.

The operation was hugely costly. As many as 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers are thought to have been killed or gone missing.

The ironic part it was UK who planed this mission

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100546479807.webp

https://media.tenor.com/mft-ojcb3_MAAAAx/captain-america-steve-rogers.webp

Military analysts insist that for all the hardship, the Kursk campaign continues to play an important role.

"It's the only area where we maintain the initiative," Serhiy Kuzan, of the Ukrainian Security and Cooperation Centre, told me.

https://media.tenor.com/O2Tz9B1UEMsAAAAx/sxv-wtf.webp

They just at start of the article told Ukraine is losing ground in that direction and showed maps and this guy comes and says they have the initiative :marseyclapping:

And here comes the BEST PART

You see Zelenskyy assumes Trump will come on January 20 and the whole front will freeze. He thinks Putin doesn't see Zelenskyy goal. But the reality is Burger politician basically don't work in December and January and then work very half assed in February. From January 20 to January 27 Trump will be just partying and receiving calls from different world leaders, then he will need to appoint a date to talk with Putin and Zelenskyy. Even if we assume Putin wants to freeze the conflict it will take MONTHS. But Putin don't need it and he has tons of buttons to prolong it and one important button is, Zelensky need to become legal before Putin would talk to him and that's not what Zelensky would want to play because there is huge chances he loses the power. So whole plan of holding Kursk territory to exchange it for something is giga low iq.

Zelensky was also angry last week at western media for saying Ukraine lost 70k men

More than 100,000 soldiers have been charged under Ukraine's desertion laws since Russia invaded in

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100547940893.webp

So Zelenskyy is still suggesting that Ukraine lost only 31k and most are civilians while at same time having over 100k deserters :marseyxd:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100553414521.webp

Putin sees this, everything shows Ukraine is in shit. Wisest move would been if Zelensky told today hey we giving those full 5 oblast including parts that are under our control to Russia for peace deal.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100559988732.webp

https://media.tenor.com/Lv5NvGkxXOYAAAAx/captain-america-chris-evans.webp

And giga jfl and ISW homos who were always telling us if Ukraine loses something that it ain't important and soon Russian advances will lose tempo

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733410056675691.webp

This how Redditors now coping while

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100570056474.webp

This is the reality. But Zelenskyy needs nato but nato don't want Ukraine so nato is thinking about alternatives like making Ukraine like Germany during Cold War or bringing peace forces into Ukraine.

Those all are fantastic ideas but they are coming from homosexuals that planned the isolation of Russia and strategical defeat of Russia on battlefield.

So they don't realise Putin started it because he don't want Ukraine in nato or any nato soldiers in Ukraine. He survived the majority of EU hardware, giving Ukraine 600 Taurus won't do shit or Tamohawks

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100576347525.webp

Russian even planning to cross dniper.

This what homo that for 3 years been posting Ukraine is winning

https://media.tenor.com/9VzxYVF0y6UAAAAx/omg-wow.webp

And seems like Biden team r-sluration didn't stoped with 11 years of pardon to Hunter

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1733410058577644.webp

They want to give Russian frozen assets to Ukraine that's literally stealing and giga low iq move. US is showing the world that its banks can't be trusted and they can change rules at will. But they ain't planning to do it they just want to sell bs to US citizens. They saying they giving that money as loan to Ukraine. In other words that's not Russian money, Biden team just gives Ukraine 50 billions as loan. Ukraine will never pay back and US citizens will be forced to pay Russian back.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17334100591902735.webp

This is also good example why mobilisation won't work. Ukraine doesn't have many young boys and statistics like this always try to paint a more favourable picture for Ukraine.

Also do you remember how happily you were when Ukrainian women were refugees telling how they bring young women and children ?

We got more Ukrainian 35-39 post wall roasties than 18-30 year old foids and if we count 30+ post wall roasties it will be multiple times more than all younger groups. And you know what those roasties bring ? Economical damage. An average or below average 35 year old Pier, Pedro, Peter can easily get foid his age. So we got more goods that was already offered more than it was demanded

https://media.tenor.com/Lv5NvGkxXOYAAAAx/captain-america-chris-evans.webp

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