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This year's Salah Christmas seethe finally arrived

Every year Egyptian !football player Salah posts a picture of his family with a Christmas tree and every year it causes Muslims to chimp out

Last year

https://rdrama.net/post/232074/the-annual-marseytaliban-chimpout-at-salahs

And the year before

https://rdrama.net/post/134140/egyptian-footballer-mohammed-salah-celebrates-christmas

@Merryvann

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so fun to make

I even made a mapping tool to make it easier to make new maps.

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I went to my class reunion recently and it turned out now none of the girls is cute or frickable anymore :marseydepressed:

How depressing, Idk why I went. I even wore my Rolex Daydate but no one mentioned noticing it :marseywait:

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Merry Christmas to all who celebrate!

Repent or burn forever to those who don't :marseypraying:

Happy birthday Jesus Christ the king of kings :marseycupcake:

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Butthurt pirate congressbro keeps getting ratioed by internet cat

Dan Crenshaw is being exposed as being a typical shitbird congressman, I mean generationally talented stock trader. This has been getting noticed by Catturd and the congressturd has been getting increasingly butthurt about it

Threatening libel for reposting an article about illegal campaign contributions lmfao

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EFFORTPOST Into the K-hole Episode II: The NewJeans Saga Part I.

On tonight's episode:

We begin the NewJeans Saga. Join us for a brief look at the history of the major players in the scandal, as well as the opening volleys of a feud that could alter the landscape of pretty ricefoids shaking their hips on stage for ever.

Who is MHJ?

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What exactly is, a NewJeans?

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Why do I keep using Twice for the OP?

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Find the answers to all of this and more, right after these messages from our sponsor:



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Now, back to our regularly scheduled programing.

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Christmas Thread Theme

Introduction


On the morning of November 28th, 2024, an official representative of the superstar Kpop group NewJeans announced that the members would be holding a press conference to address the ongoing dispute with their record label, ADOR. Two weeks prior, on November 13th, the group sent a letter notifying ADOR of numerous issues that they considered to be breaches of their contract. Per a (standard) clause in the contract, ADOR had 14 days to respond to and ameliorate these breaches. If it failed to do so, NewJeans would have the option to terminate their exclusive contract, without penalty. With the 14 day deadline set to pass at 12:00 AM KST, November 29th, it seemed premature to call a press conference. However, the group was planning to board a plane to Japan in preparation for promotional activities later that evening, and expressed their wish to update their fans on the situation before ADOR could take advantage of their travel to control the media narrative.

:pedobear: https://i.rdrama.net/images/1734860429-0d462d56-bd87-422a-a3d3-3e419689820a.webp

They know what they did

And so, at 8:30 PM, the members of NewJeans and a PR representative met with the press to announce their response to ADOR's failure to rectify the alleged contract breaches. What followed was a bizzare press conference that saw members claim their contract was terminated and that they:

  • were no longer under contract with ADOR after midnight

  • would not need to pay a termination penalty

  • would begin seeking other oppurtunities while finishing scheduled events with ADOR

And the really bizarre part...

  • would not seek to confirm the termination of their contract via legal action.

This, of course, raised numerous questions amongst the entertainment reporters present who have a solid grasp on how contract terminations work. I'm sure the dramatards in the audience who understand contract law, or are capable of tying their own shoes, have many of the same questions. Thankfully, the girls took some time to take questions from the press.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1734852813-7a525f1c-f94d-4db1-83c6-11ed4cd73dca.webp

An excerpt from the press conference. Did you understand?

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1734852813-ff48b218-52fb-4980-89d4-46d2ec6c83fd.webp

Always a good idea to check the specifics after terminating the contract

:ma#rseywut2:

Leaving the world with more questions than answers, the members of NewJeans boarded a plane to Japan to resume promotional activities, setting the internet ablaze with discussion of what was in the future for NewJeans. Well, in order to predict the future, one must first understand the past.

And that past can only be found...





...In the K-Hole.





:m#arseygeisha: :marse#ygeisha: :marsey#geisha:

:marsey#geisha: :mar#seyscreamgenocide: :marsey#geisha:

:marsey#geisha: :marseygei#sha: :mars#eygeisha:


The Main Players


HYBE

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The illegitimate love child of Kim Jong-Un and Xi Jinping Bang Si-Hyuk

HYBE Corporation, initially founded by Bang Si-hyuk in 2005 as Big Hit Entertainment, is the largest of the big 4 record companies in Kpop, with a market capitalization almost 4x greater than that of their next largest competitor, JYP Entertainment. Their success is directly tied to that of their most popular group, BTS, who during their heyday, generated more GDP for South Korea than the Korean domestic airline industry. This great financial success provided Big Hit Entertainment with the opportunity to acquire numerous smaller record labels including Source Music, which would later go on to debut the girl group Le Sserafim, in 2019 and Pledis Entertainment (Seventeen and Formis9) in 2020

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1734860228-8e873688-0401-403f-bd5a-e3c391207bb0.webp

With these new labels under their belt, Big Hit Entertainment restructured itself as HYBE Corporation in 2021, structuring all of their various sub-labels underneath the new Hybe Label division. During the years proceeding the re-structuring, HYBE developed plans to debut numerous gril groups, and leading these plans was the former Visual Director for SM Entertainment, Min Hee-jin (MHJ).

Min Hee-Jin

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Born in 1979, MHJ began her career in Kpop as a graphic designer for SM Entertainment (one of the other big 4 companies in Kpop) in 2003. Eventually she was promoted to creative director, where she oversaw all visual branding for a number of SM's gril groups, including Girls Generation, Red Velvet, and f(x). Her impact on the industry in this role was massive, as she shifted artistic direction within the industry towards the idea of more experimental "concepts".

You can think of a group's concept as the overarching theme of the group, impacting everything from album art, photoshoots, music videos, and costumes to public behavior and even the type of music the group produces. The concept of an artist can remain static for years on end (think of how Motley Crue have always been party boy rockstars), or change over time (compare the early music and style of The Beatles to their later work.)

Leaving SM in 2018 due to burnout, it wasn't long before she found herself hired by Big Hit Entertainment to oversee the rebranding to HYBE Corporation. It was also announced that MHJ would be the creative lead for multiple new girl groups, as well as the producer for a label that HYBE would launch in the next few years. MHJ took part in initial planning for a new girl group with Source Music, but in 2021 HYBE established the ADOR sub label and named her as the CEO. The first act to debut under ADOR would be the girl group MHJ had begun developing with Source Music, NewJeans.

NewJeans

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Upcoming January 2025 Vogue Korea cover featuring NewJeans

Auditions for Mhj's new girl group began in 2019 under Source Music. Initially planning to debut in 2021, this was pushed back to 2022, ostentibly due to the Covid-19 Pandemic. Officially debuting on July 22nd of 2022, NewJeans quickly became one of the biggest acts in all of Kpop. Their achievements speak for themselves:

  • First idol group in history to occupy the #1, #2 and #3 spot on every chart in Korea for 3 consecutive months with Ditto, OMG, and Hype Boy

  • NewJeans surpassed 5 billion total points on Circle Digital Chart in only 64 weeks, second only to BTS (53 weeks)

  • First girl group to ever chart 5 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 in the same calendar year in K-Pop history

  • Set a Guinness record for fastest artist to reach 1 billion streams on Spotify and also became the fastest Korean act in history to reach 3 billion streams

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Newjeans debut single and MV, Hype Boy, released July 22nd, 2022.

This groups massive success on the charts led them to become one of the most sought after brand endorsements in the advertising industry , with them eventually going on to work with Nike, Coca- Cola, McDonald's, Apple, Levi's, and Calvin Klein. NewJeans was so successful on this front that In April 2024, Forbes Korea reported that the group had earned โ‚ฉ30 billion (~$20 million) in advertising in the course of a single year. to put this in perspective, Patrick Mahomes had total estimated off-the-field earnings of $25 million in 2024.

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You know you've made it big when even your slop meal gets to go on tour.
Hanni

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The Vietnamese-Australian member of a Korean girl group's English male name is Harry.

Born to Vietnamese parents in Melbourne, Australia, Phแบกm Ngแปc Hรขn's (20) first experience in the entertainment industry was as a member of the Australian kpop dance cover group AEMINA. In late 2019, she was the only person to pass the Plus Global Auditions, the first set of auditions for the girl group that would become NewJeans. Hanni is widely considered to be the best vocalist in the group

Minji

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Marcus the Cleanup Queen

Born in Chuncheon, South Korea in 2004, Kim Min-ji began training with Source Music in 2017. She was likely the first member selected for NewJeans, as she was the anonymous face of the Plus Global Auditions that selected Hanni. Often acting as the de facto leader, Minji is the oldest member and one of the best dancers in the group.

Dani

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Her male English name is Demitree.

In 2005, Danielle Marsh was born to an Australian father and Korean mother in Newcastle, Australia. Moving back and forth between Australia and South Korea as a child, Dani's first experience in show business was as a child actor in South Korea. She began her kpop career as a trainee at YG Entertainment ( the last of the big four Kpop companies), leaving the company and joining Source Music in July 2020. Probably the most popular member internationally, Dani is a talented vocalist who provided the Korean dub of Ariel for the live action Little Mermaid movie.

Haerin

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This Kang's name is Stephen

Originally from Seoul, South Korea, Kang Hae-rin dropped out of middle school in 2020 at the age of 13 to begin training with Source Music, later earning her GED. A taleented singer and dancer, Haerin is also a global ambassador for Dior.

Hyein

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(Male name) Collin is the reason we need pedobear.

Lee Hye-in was born in Incheon, South Korea in 2008, making her the youngest member, or maknae, of NewJeans. Getting her start as a child model, she also was a member of a kid's group called U.SSO Girl from 2017-2018. She later went on to star on a YouTube children's channel called PocketTV. She eventually joined ADOR as a trainee in 2021. Despite being the youngest member of the group, Hyein has the most showbiz experience in the group.

Now that we've had a chance to meet the stars of our story, we are finally able to see where the NewJeans/ADOR drama truly began. But first, it's time for a...


Cookie Break


After the success of their debut single Hype Boy, NewJeans quickly followed up with the lead single of their self-titled debut EP, Cookie. As @0BS3SS10N mentioned in the comments of our previous episode, there was something a little off about this song.

:pedobear: :worm:

With most of the song in Korean, the lyrics, once translated into English, are something else:

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Now, these lyrics wouldn't be too bad in and of themselves, at least compared to western music, save for one small problem; the majority of the group was underage when the song was released. At the time of release, Dani and Hanni were 17, Haerin was 16, and Hyein was 14(!). Only Minji was over the age of 18 at the time. This generated a great deal of controversy in western markets due to the sexual tone of the lyrics.

https://old.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/wdclrx/newjeans_cookie/

https://old.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/wdd6bg/new_jeans_just_officially_debut_with_the_release/

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Link

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1735022728Fyi4vnzURIvahw.webp

A solid summary of the drama

As @ftincel touched on above, the scandal was complicated by a report of a pattern of weird, borderline pedophilic behavior surrounding MHJ. She had numerous pictures of underage girls and a 15 year old Brooke Shields on her Instagram, and had also been accused of over sexualizing underage idols while at SM Entertainment.

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HYBE, ADOR, and NewJeans themselves argued the song was actually about burning a CD for someone (to bake a CD is a euphemism for burning a CD in Korea) and that the translator who worked on the MV above had mistranslated the lyrics. Most Westerners didn't buy this, pointing out that two of the people in the group (Dani and Hanni) were native English speakers. However, as is common with scandals related to Kpop idols, there were plenty of fans who were ready to eat up the cover story.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/wrsspn/cookie_by_new_jeans_isnt_as_sexual_as_people_make/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/comments/wkle0q/serious_discussion_thread_the_cookie_and_min/

Let's see what /mu/ had to say at the time:

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You know it's bad when even 4chan thinks you've gone too far

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I think this is a compilation of translated comments from Korean sites. If not, someone needs to investigate this guy.

With all of that background info and the Cookie drama out of the way, we can begin our story in earnest.


The Beginning of the End


The Audit

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On April 22nd, 2024, bombshell news dropped that HYBE would be launching an internal audit of ADOR and it's executives, due to concerns that MHJ was trying to attract investors to take the label independent. At the time, HYBE owned about 80% of ADOR, with the remaining 20% being held by ADOR executives, predominantly MHJ.

HYBE alleged that MHJ and a VP at ADOR, identified only as Mr. L, were working in collaboration to "free" ADOR from HYBE. The scheme included Mr. L passing classified info about HYBE to MHJ. Mr. L had previously worked with HYBE, most relevantly during its IPO, before being transferred by the company to ADOR. Once HYBE became aware of the plan, the audit was triggered, executives electronics were examined, and plans to remove MHJ as CEO of ADOR were initiated.

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Illit

For her part, MHJ released a statement alleging that the audit was an illegal attempt to oust her as CEO In retaliation for her accusing Illit, a new Kpop group under HYBE's sub-label, Belift Labs, and their producers of "copying" NewJeans.

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/min-hee-jin-official-statement/

April 23rd and 24th

The next day, April 23rd, HYBE responded that it had clear evidence that MHJ had been planning to take ADOR independent long before Illit had debuted. The main piece of evidence for this was an unreleased internal document detailing MHJ's plans.

https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20240423006400315

On the 24th, various ADOR executives tried to distance MHJ from the discovered internal document, but a report from Dispatch (basically the Korean TMZ) revealed that she had almost $73 million in put options on HYBE.

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April 25th

The Next day, April 25th, HYBE made public it's initial findings from the audit and stated it's intention to report MHJ to the police.

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A leaked conversation between MHJ and another ADOR executive, A

In response MHJ called her own press conference that day, which ran for almost 2 hours.

During this press conference MHJ touched on a number of topics, including:

  • Reiterating that the only cause of the audit was an internal complaint she filed over Illit's "plaigerism"

  • Complaining that her shareholders agreement that she signed with HYBE was unfair and currently being renegotiated.

  • Alleging that she was promised NewJeans would be the first of HYBE's new girl groups to debut. Instead Le Sserafim was allowed to debut first. (Remember this one, it will be important later on)

  • Claiming that she would take legal action against HYBE for seizing her and other executive's electronics

  • Stating that all of ADOR's internal discussions about seeking outside investors and breaking away from HYBE were merely jokes

  • Tacitly admitting that she would consult a Korean Shaman to help make business decisions (again, more on this at a later date)

The entire press conference is a trip, and this all is just a snippet. We'll do a deep dive into the press conference and it's after effects next week, but for now, let's see how the internet reacted:

Reddit Reacts

Warning:: May contain spoilers for future parts of the saga.

https://old.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1ca2gc4/hybe_launched_audit_into_ceo_of_newjeans_agency/

https://old.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/comments/1ccn2j5/my_takes_from_the_min_heejin_press_conference/

https://old.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/1ca90ty/hybe_initiates_audit_of_adors_management/

https://old.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/1ca90ty/hybe_initiates_audit_of_adors_management/

/mu/ Reacts

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That's all the time we have for this week, but I hope that I was able to whet your whistle for the drama we have ahead, because theres quite a bit of it.

On next week's "In the K-Hole"

  • A deep dive into MHJ's April 25th press conference and auxiliary accusations!

  • The parents of NewJeans speak up!

  • New legal challenges!

  • And much, much more, all next week!

I hope you enjoyed this episode, as well as your upcoming holidays. A very merry Christmas to you all and yours...

... From the bottom...

... Of the K-Hole.

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Happy Holly-days! What did you get for Christmas?

I went out to lunch with mum and dad, then I bought myself The Stanley Parable and The Beginner's Guide on Steam based off recommendations I received here.

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Hobby Lobby Christian owned company sells AI art decor

:#marseybadlydrawn: :#marseyhomohitler: :#marseyai: :#marseypaintermerchant: :#marseypaintdry:

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Original post from 5 years ago on the TNO sub:

https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/cnfcrg/a_map_of_operation_black_bull_the_turkish/

I don't think the subreddit works on old reddit

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EFFORTPOST On Kaamrev's opinions about the Tet Offensive

(Reply to this post)

@Redactor0 grandpa confirm what I got wrong

Nothing fam. Just like I expect from you. :marseyblowkiss: Let's see if there's a few points I can elaborate on slightly.

USA Navy forces were not immediately aware of the ramifications the Battle of Midway would have upon the momentum of the Pacific Theatre

:marseyagree: Keep in mind that both sides didn't even know how what ships the other had. They were getting bullshit intelligence from their own pilots all the time, so for example the Japanese were overestimating how many carriers they had sunk and had no idea we still had 3 left in the Pacific at that time.

the sheer dominant magnitude of the influence an aircraft carrier would as a weapons platform would supercede even the wildest prewar speculations

I gotta push back on this just slightly. Battleships were going obsolete but it wasn't completely over quite yet. Notice how important they were at Leyte Gulf on both sides and that was near the end of the war. This is one thing where I actually got some insight from computer games. Like so often, that comes in the form of actually getting the geometry involved. A battleship at flank speed could get about as far overnight as a carrier-based plane could fly (I'm oversimplifying here, but you get it). So you could actually dash in and catch them with a little luck. Especially if there were a few clouds out.

But it was really marginal. At the end of the war the proximity fuze for AA shells came out which helped the battleships a lot but also jet engines and guided bombs. And just planes that could fly farther. So it was really obvious by 1945 that within a few years they would be totally useless for fighting other ships.

the Royal Palace in hue

The bastards got there before Old Man Redactor could take pictures of it. :marseyraging: But there was a lot of beautiful stuff left in Hue even after the battle.

this upcoming deafeat would be the greatest blow dealt to the US for the entire war

That's a really good way of putting it. You must have some angloid DNA. :marseyclapping:

It was the single greatest massacre of VC forces to the extent that they literally ceased to fricking be a political power within the communist sphere in Vietnam entire and Cambodia. From then on the North Vietnamese had near absolute control of military operations.

The VC were never really an independent force. At least not at the top level. There were lots of commies in South Vietnam at the beginning of the war of course, but the leadership was always directed from Hanoi. What was really changed by Tet is that all these low-level commies native to the South got killed off. After that, there was no longer any pretense that this was a guerilla war. By the time the old man got there (I think 1970) it was completely a conventional war between the North and the South fought with advanced high-tech weapons. He wasn't hauling an M-16 around when he was on his photography trips to old historical buildings in Hue because there weren't any guerillas to be scared of. Those people were all dead.

The Phoenix Program was also very helpful here. Just using basic 1960s police and office work they rooted out the commies in the villages. This was basically just turning the tables on them. Going after everyone who is on the enemy side. Except we didn't use terrorism the way the VC did, chopping off the head of the mayor's kid and shit like that. The cops just arrested people in 90% of cases. (Statistics on the Phoenix Program are quite interesting, something to go into more detail about someday.)

The US and ARVn performance was absolutely spectacular, perhaps one of history's great battles like fricking Cannae or Waterloo or something

Let's not suck our peepees too hard here. Old Man tells me a story second hand of a guy who had been in some big base around Saigon during Tet. He complained that he never got to shoot anybody because they were all slaughtered by .50 cal machineguns before they even got close enough. This wasn't Hannibal or Wellington we were dealing with.

us Air Cavalry (helicopter troops)

My dad will swear up and down that he hated everything about the Army but this is exactly the kind of comment that would draw him out. The 101st was airborne, it was NOT cavalry!

the lies and deception of the military a and 2 administrations about how good the war went

That's what the real crisis was. If it wasn't Tet it would have been something else to trigger it. They kept saying the war is about to end and they were clearly lying. This is a generation that wasn't beyond sacrifices. Everyone's parents had been in WW2 in some shit job sweeping asbestos off the floor of a shipyard or on the side of the world fighting. A lot of them never came back. But there was a purpose. People will sacrifice a lot for a purpose, but if they're getting jerked around, they notice real fast.

Old Man's story about this is listening to the radio where Nixon is saying that we're not bombing Laos and he's looking up in the sky and there's planes above him heading west. It didn't take fricking Descartes to guess where they were going.

unexpectedly brought low USA civilian morale to continue to send their sons overseas into the meatgrinder

A lot of the conventional wisdom about this isn't always right. We had something like half our casualties after Tet. (One third, I dunno.) And popular support for the war wasn't really eroded all that much if you look at the polling data.

Keep in mind that there's a certain class of people who dominate the discussion of the Vietnam War. Specifically: Guys who dodged the draft so they didn't have to go there and know anything about it. There's an extreme level of self-serving bullshit they claim. Like that the "Anti-War Movement" (lol you sure cared about the Vietnam-Cambodia war) had any impact at all on anything other than being so disgusting they helped get Nixon elected in 1968. These are the last fricking people on Earth you should ever believe. I trust the guys fighting on the other side 1000x more than them.

By the time 2023 arrived the most critical munitions would be basic artillery shells

So my two things I was saying going into this is ATGMs are gonna be important (because of experience in the Middle East in previous decades) and basic b-word artillery shells. There was this cult of precision munitions from Desert Storm. The thing I never heard anybody explain is: What if you don't know exactly where the enemy is tho?

Unironic WW1 bunkers and trenches also came to dominate the southern and eastern parts of Ukraine from Donbass to Crimea, with static artillery war and massed charges for both sides being the most popular strategy, on a grinding stalemate similar as to the ending phase of 1952s Korea War.

The last full-scale war we had between two opponents that was a fair fight was the Iran-Iraq War and it was a heck of a lot like this. I keep telling everyone, but nobody believes little old Redactor. I guess I gotta post more Chronicles of Victory.

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PP has failed to demonstrate that he is up for the job. The convoy participation was enough for me to never vote for the guy. For those who need more, there was that cross country tour - on our dime where he told Canadians that climate change causes inflation - it doesn't. This from a guy who wants to lead the country. He is unfit. (94)

Do you feel the same way about Trudeau's convoy participation? Or you consider freezing bank accounts and jail time for scary car horns is warranted while smoke grenades and smashed windows is peaceful protesting? (-17)

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Yeah I can't even be surprised though. Europeans on Reddit consistently insinuate that I am the one that isn't versed in American politics, but they are somehow more knowledgeable despite the fact that I actually live here and exist in society on a daily basis..... Thats why I made it clear in my initial comment here that I am ignorant on Canadian politics and what I'm saying is conjecture. Also, thats interesting about the UK. Funny enough, it seems that both Canada and UK are seeing a rubberband effect where things have shifted so far left that they're naturally correcting to a normal level. UK just permanently banned HRT for all children until they reach their 18th birthday, and Canada seems to be ousting Trudeau. Germany seems to be a lost cause entirely. (1)

UK has been ran by conservative governments for 15 years. They're moving from right to more right and the standard of living are just getting worse. I live in Canada. I don't hate Trudeau, don't love him, he's charismatic and somewhat mediocre. However people have definitely become more openly right wing, are parroting right wing talking points that would be said around a beer in a garage with friends quietly in the past. Random racist stuff that you'd hear around the kitchen table or among the boys is now stuff people just say casually. This has seeped into politics. Lots of random weird stuff about women and where they need to be. Lots of it is bleeding over from the kitchen table, to social media, and ultimately into politics. Things are just generally more right wing. But left wingers are sick of the liberals too. They believe liberals cannot protect them from the rising tide of right wing reactionary politics. So they hunker down in communities, behind organization, online, etc... (1)

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I mean, people are kinda done with Trudeau that's an undeniable fact. Based on polling and public opinion in general not to mention his own party caucus apparently. I never voted for the guy and won't in the next election but you know overall I wouldn't say he was terrible or the worst ever at his job, moreso that things either went really bad out of nowhere (Covid) or things have reached a head that multiple governments have failed to address in their time (housing).To answer your question though, I'd say a lot of the hate for him at least on here is bots. We already have evidence of this in local subreddits in Alberta as well as on the national subreddit of r/canada.Plus we have evidence there are farms in Egypt with the express purpose of botting for Anti Trudeau messages.So in summary, a lot of the outcry is probably bots thought I'm sure there's still some humans in there. So take it all with a grain of salt I'd say.Personally I don't listen to anything anyone says on Reddit u... (1)

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I hated Harper and he was worse, and back then I listed his shit stainsAs for Trudeau, he pisses me off with how he's very fake and kept defending CCP and doing many things to undermine our security civil servants' efforts to bring the truths of CCP's influences in our govt, into the spotlightIn simple terms he's a CPP shrill and I will never forgive for that His another major mistake is reckless immigration policies, which basically hurts EVERYONE.He treats new immigrants with disrespect as now many are offered false hopes or finding themselves stuck with a society that's massively draining their resources while they're having difficulty finding affordable housing , jobs, and increasing xenophobic environment, while Canadians are suffering from their societies strained on resources (0)

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I was told that making your own write up, even biased will make a post more of an effortpost compared to just copy pasting dramatic comments before the link

FDS never existed, and even if it did it was mostly male incels pretending to be women part 1

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3pwshs/?context=8

Part 2

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3q03ax/?context=8

Part 3

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3q13v1/?context=8

Toxic masculinity and not gender wars and astroturfed hate is the reason of men failing

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3q1vfe/?context=8

Men can't say women bad, but women can say men bad

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3pul6p/?context=8

I don't understand why mayo moids are crying, mayo moids can't have issue + plus lots of self flagellation over being mayo moids

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3ptblt/?context=8

Equality to an oppressor feels like prosecution?

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3puvr1/?context=8

Straight white men can have issues, for example if they are poor or ugly...

No they can't mayo, I tell you this as a mayo!

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3q38sx/?context=8

You know, that with posts like these, you only giving ammo to chuds and make it easier for them to attract young men?

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3pyx7l/?context=8

if a man feels like shit because gendered issues are brought to light, they need to work through that themselves instead of expecting women to sugar coat everything for them.

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3q03rc/?context=8

White men do not deserve compassion because majority of them voted for trump. Cool, but white women did too. That's different

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1hlxfxu/why_are_young_women_so_lacking_in_compassion_for/m3q03rc/?context=8

Moids are the destroyers of the universe copypasta

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I won't even link to the good ones because every single one of them is the clichรฉ.

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sigh, Jesus was a Black Transgender Communist

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/u/Not_a__porn__account just deleted as I'm typing this. :marseyfluffyannoyed: Here's pullpush

https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/baseball/comments/1hm1euc/_/m3qslwt/#comment-info

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Some of y'all are just bigots. Inbox disabled. Merry Christmas.

Get fricked if that somehow has triggered you.

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Why is every sportsball sub filled with this exact type? Because it's reddit. Yea :marseyitsover:

I do want to point out the first dude to reply to this while pooping on women has not only openly admitted to paying for s*x with a very young man in his recent comments,

What did xe mean by this :marseyquestion:

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Oh :marseyxd: :marseydicklet: Of course it's a gay guy taking the anti foid stance :marseygiggle:

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/u/Secret_Ambition_1188 is also chimping out all over the thread. This guy hadn't commented in 10 months. He's made 26 comments in there in the last hour :marseyxd:

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