Are You Sure You Want To Quit The World?

If you were desperate and hopeless enough to log on to a suicide chat room in recent years, there was a good chance a mysterious woman named Li Dao would find you, befriend you, and gently urge you to take your own life. And, she'd promise, she would join you in that final journey. But then the bodies started adding up, and the promises didn't. Turned out, Li Dao was something even more sinister than anyone thought.

"Check Your E-mail"

The three innocuous words seemed to offer Mark Drybrough the relief he sought. At 32, Mark was beyond tired. Life had long ceased to be the fun it once was. He had been a mischievous kid, an outgoing teenager who would make classmates laugh, leaping the school fence to freedom. At college in Coventry, England, he started out in high spirits, studying computer engineering and finding a girlfriend.

But after a year, the girl came down with a viral infection and then Mark did, and he never really recovered. Though he wasn't formally diagnosed, he felt certain that he'd developed chronic fatigue syndrome. Whatever he had—whether it was in his body or his mind—he couldn't summon the energy to get out of bed. Eventually he got dumped, stopped attending classes, and dropped out altogether.

For the next decade, Mark struggled to find the laughs. He lived in a small house in Coventry that his great-uncle had left him, but he couldn't maintain a job. He battled depression, going through dark periods when he refused to take medication, and he suffered psychotic fits. His mother, Elaine, paid his bills. He had no money, no car, no social life. He knew he was a disappointment—most of all to himself.

In July 2005, under the handle "spooky," Mark posted a request on the Web site alt.suicide.methods: "Does anyone have details of hanging methods where there isn't access to anything high up to tie the rope to. I've read that people have taken their own lives in jail, anybody know of inventive methods, the ones you don't get to read in the paper."

Li Dao knew. She directed Mark to check his e-mail. When he opened her message, he found guidance. She wrote, "Depending on how tall you are, preferable under 6 ft. tal [sic], you can easily from a door using the knob on [the other] side to tie the rope to, sling it over the top of the door, attach the noose or loop to yourself then step off and hang successfully..."

A few weeks later, Mark's older sister, Carol, drove down from Leeds to visit the family. At dinner Carol arranged to meet her brother at a nearby park the next day. They confirmed the plan the following morning, but by four that afternoon he had still not turned up.

Carol drove to her brother's home and knocked on the door. No answer. She let herself in and found a note on the inside door in block letters: Please call the police. Do not go upstairs, go home, hand this note to the police.

Carol rushed upstairs anyway, but the bedroom door was blocked. She forced her way in and found her brother hanging from a white nylon rope attached to a ladder propped by the door. She tried to hold him up, hoping to save him, and immediately called for help. She stood there supporting his weight while she waited for the paramedics, but they would soon pronounce him dead.

Shortly after, Carol returned to her brother's room and logged on to his computer. She learned that he'd spent a significant amount of time in suicide chat rooms, researching an effective way to kill himself. She also discovered that he'd entered into a suicide pact with a nurse named Li Dao. In fact, the nurse had sent her brother a note the day he died.

Her e-mail was brief: "Are you alright, Mark? Li"

Suicide chat rooms can save lives. The very act of logging on to a site like alt.suicide.methods (ASM) or alt.suicide.holiday (ASH) offers a potentially suicidal person the chance of finding support, redemption, or relief from the loneliness that led him there in the first place. Or logging on could be the first step a suicidal person takes to find the expertise, the courage, even the companionship, to go through with it. These chat rooms can provide a lifeline, or they can amount to a death sentence. It all depends on who's online and what they're doing there.

ASH began as a Google discussion group about why suicide rates increase over the holidays, then grew to become a regular destination; ASM bills itself, unapologetically, as "discussions about how to do yourself in." Members consider themselves pro-choice (choice being the right to suicide), and the forums host a range of people—not just those intent on committing suicide. Many do go there specifically to gather information on surefire ways to "catch the bus," or CTB, as suicide is known. But others may be recovering from a previous attempt or feeling down and looking for support among the like-minded. Still others may be there to offer a connection to those in need. Suicide is, for the most part, a solitary act; the majority of the 35,000 or so individuals who kill themselves in the United States every year are isolated and withdrawn from society. Simply accessing a world outside their own heads, as they do on ASH or ASM, might improve their chances of survival.

Mostly, members are supportive of one another, querying those who declare their intention to CTB to make sure they've explored other alternatives. But chat rooms are also places where a person can forge a connection that makes it easier to take that final ride. Some even form suicide pacts, promising to kill themselves at an appointed time, either virtually or in person. Who knows just how many follow through? But it does happen.

In Japan, where suicide has traditionally been considered an honorable act, the pacts have proven contagious. Teenage girls hook up online with like-minded partners whom they then meet in person, taking their lives together. In 2003, according to Japan's National Police Agency, online suicide pacts resulted in at least thirty-four deaths there; the number jumped to fifty-five in 2004 and ninety-one in 2005, but many experts say even those figures are underestimates. As hard as it is to fathom, not everyone who makes a pact is sincere. Disturbingly, some get off on witnessing, even encouraging, the despair of others.

Celia Blay stumbled upon ASH through chance and persistent curiosity. Blay is a 65-year-old grandmother from southern England who takes a kind of childish delight in exclaiming that she "makes whips and thongs for a living." (The implements, she clarifies, are for carriage horses.) In 2006, Blay was on a site devoted to medieval research—looking for charters to prove that some roads in her village should remain open to carriage horses—when she began poking around a member's profile, which somehow led her to ASH. "I thought, My goodness, a news group for suicide," she says. "It never crossed my mind that there would have been such a thing."

And Blay being Blay—which is to say, something of a compassionate busybody—once she logged on to ASH, she quickly made friends. One of them was a 17-year-old Central American girl who'd been sexually abused and was considering suicide. Blay conversed with the teen online for a few weeks and thought the girl was improving.

One day the teen told Blay that she'd entered a suicide pact with a nurse she'd met online. The nurse had been helpful and knowledgeable, telling her exactly how to position a knot for a partial-suspension hanging. "I said, 'Surely this nurse is not going to travel to Central America to hang herself alongside you,' " Blay recalled. "And she said, 'Oh no, we're going to watch each other by Webcam.' "

Blay managed to persuade the teen not to go through with it, but as chat logs show, soon she and others on ASH began to wonder about this nurse the girl had befriended. Her name, they discovered, was Li Dao, and she seemed to go to great lengths to maintain a low profile on the sites, only rarely commenting in the main forum, where all the members could read her posts. And when she did comment publicly, she emphasized her background as a twentysomething nurse from Minnesota. She seemed to be drawn to posters who spoke English as a second language or who seemed particularly naive, and she was fond of endearments like "hun" and the sign-off "hugs."

Li Dao was unfailingly sympathetic and unusually well-informed but maintained a conservative worldview that bordered on the self-righteous. She reprimanded one member for suggesting that the suicidal should try cocaine as an alternative to death. And on a site where members often express hostility toward religion, she was unapologetic about insisting that "the hope of eternal life…is promised to those who believe." She seemed most comfortable, however, dispensing advice, and she was an ardent proponent of hanging. Unlike other methods, hanging offered "very fast and certain death."

On the sites, she usually lurked in the background, initiating a private correspondence if a post in the forum caught her attention. The more desperate the post and resolute the poster's intention to CTB, the more likely Li would respond. In March 2006, "halfjacket" pleaded, "please someone help me die some way that is quick and/or painless directly. I'll do anything please I just need help."

"Check your e-mail," Li wrote back.

And in July, "Jim" wrote, "Think I'm going to be left with no option but to hang myself. I'm a big guy (420 pound) so making sure the rope don't break is vital to me, so I have been looking at climbing rope.… Can anyone shed any technical info on this to make sure I get the right stuff?"

"Check your e-mail," came the reply.

Within two hours of posting suicidal thoughts on ASH, Nikola Trifunovic, a 22-year-old researcher in Zagreb, was directed to his e-mail. Li told him that she understood how he felt and wanted to help him feel better. She said she lived with her parents and had struggled with bipolar disorder and depression for eleven years. Nothing worked—not therapy, drugs, or prayer. Li wrote, "Im really tired of living a false life of pretending everything is ok when it is not and I can't do it anymore." After exchanging e-mails for six months, Trifunovic says he began to care deeply for her. He recalled, via e-mail, "She made me feel I was not alone and that there were many others who feel the same way."

Li said she planned to CTB by hanging from a beam in her basement, once she found the time to be alone. She said she'd practiced hanging herself.

Li coached Trifunovic to hang himself, and the two made weekly suicide pacts, but he couldn't quite bring himself to end it. Strangulation wasn't the pain-free method he'd hoped it would be—"I kept doing it wrong, and it hurt like heck," Trifunovic reported to the ASH forum—but he feared more than the pain. "I was scared that after, there is nothing," he said. "Infinite nothingness." When he shared this fear with Li, she tried to get Trifunovic to believe in God. It was an odd position for a Christian, as Li seemed to be, since the religion discourages suicide.

Then, in September 2006, Li suddenly disappeared. "Li where are you? Get in touch if you're still living this thing," one member posted on ASH.

"Oh frick…that must explain why I haven't heard from her, either," responded another.

Trifunovic assured the forum that Li had to be alive, because he'd corresponded with her only two days earlier. Besides, Trifunovic added, "we kind of promised to each other to do it the same day, she is ready to die she is just waiting for me to be ready."

"She told you that, too?" another poster responded. "Oy."

The next day, however, Trifunovic received an e-mail from a woman claiming to be Li's mother, Xao Pi Zeng, from Li's e-mail account. She reported that her daughter was "found hung in outbasement [sic] at approximately 6:40 this morning.… Of course we be so sad but am Gratefull to God that her pain is now over."

When he learned of Li's death, Trifunovic became determined to try to end his life. Then, to his surprise, two months later, a miracle occurred—Li was resurrected. Someone on ASH reported that he'd heard from her.

It was then that the forum began to realize that Li was not what she seemed. "It's not Li, not Li we know, she doesn't exist, it's some perve fricking with us," Trifunovic posted. "Mawkish" agreed, revealing that he'd IM'd with Li and that she kept trying to persuade him to hang himself. Mawkish tried to talk to Li on the phone, but she would come up with excuses about why she couldn't. He told the forum, "I believe Li Dao got some kind of 'high' or 'rush' from trying to convince people to die."

By now Celia Blay had reached the same conclusion—that Li had encouraged more than a dozen individuals on ASH to commit suicide. (She'd noticed that members often disappeared from the site after exchanges with the nurse.) Then she received a tip that Li was using a new handle, "falcongirl." She immediately searched online and found traces of Li's familiar m.o. When "r-slurstoner" announced on ASH, "I need to die. Tonight. Period," falcongirl responded: "Check your e-mail box."

Blay had seen enough. She took the evidence she'd gathered to the police in nearby Maidenhead. "Look," she told them, "this person is trying to get people to kill themselves." But the man in charge of investigating online crimes wasn't impressed. "His attitude was that this was somebody who was trying to wind up middle-aged women and shock them," Blay recalled, indignant. As Blay left the station, she says an officer gave her a piece of advice: "If it bothers you, look the other way."

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Yet more reading !clinklickers Wired Series on ASH...

Part One: On the alt.suicide.holiday website, suicide isn't taboo -- it's "a choice." The site advises suicidal users how to end their lives and has been linked to at least 10 deaths. Relatives say the forum encourages people to kill themselves.

Part Two: A troubled young man's downward spiral before committing suicide is chronicled in posts to an online message board whose participants gave him suggestions about how to kill himself. Is the site responsible for his death?

Part Three: The parents of a young man who committed suicide are suing a woman he met on an online discussion board that provides participants with detailed instructions on how to end their lives. They blame the woman for their son's death.

So there's about a 1/20 complication rate from laser eye surgery, which is a lot worse than I thought. When it goes great, it's amazing, but for the unlucky few who get serious side effects, it apparently can get so bad you can turn suicidal.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Lasiksupport/comments/1bhjive/suicidal_state_1_year_post_lasik/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Lasiksupport/comments/159p4hg/how_to_cope_feeling_almost_suicidal/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Lasiksupport/comments/18u7lki/is_it_irrational_to_think_about_suicide_most_of/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Lasiksupport/comments/1892spj/4_months_and_still_dealing_with_complications/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Lasiksupport/comments/1bnhd97/deep_regret_and_no_words/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Lasiksupport/comments/1blnbob/how_is_it_possible_that_we_fell_for_the_laser/?sort=controversial

Anyway, don't do this shit until you're ok with being the percentage it seems to seriously frick over for life.

Edit: I realize now i've called it lasik and lasek interchangeably and without any differentiation when i should have said “all laser eye surgery”. Anyway, that sub is for anyone who got complications from any laser eye surgery, not just lasik. While I am disturbed by most dramacels I don't wish a lifetime of chronic eye issues on anyone here, so I would advise you to investigate what could happen to you if you're going to pursue it. If you're one of the unlucky few that ends up royally fricked, don't forget to post about it here so we can support/laugh at you.

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• He is also charged with theft and retaliating against a witness, related to alleged illicit payments he made to a school athletics coach, as well as stalking, prosecutors said

The principal

The audio of the recording is here

https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1747708846942851493

In summary

The voice refers to “ungrateful Black kids who can't test their way out of a paper bag” and questions how hard it is to get those students to meet grade-level expectations. The speaker uses names of people who appear to be staff members and says they should not have been hired, and that he should get rid of another person “one way or another.”

“And if I have to get one more complaint from one more Jew in this community, I'm going to join the other side,” the voice said.

Darien was being investigated as of December in a theft investigation that had been initiated by Eiswert. Police say Darien had authorized a $1,916 payment to the school's junior varsity basketball coach, who was also his roommate, under the pretense that he was an assistant girls soccer coach. He was not, school officials said. Eiswert determined that Darien had submitted the payment to the school payroll system, bypassing proper procedures. Darien had been notified of the investigation, police said.

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Battlefield Earth (2000) is the infamous Scientology propaganda film commissioned by John Travolta. It is considered one of the worst moves ever made, but I'd never seen it before yesterday.

It is now one of my favourite films.

Literally everthing about this movie is hillariously bad. The sheer incompetence is awe-inspiring and I didn't want it to end.

Story & Writing

In Battlefield Earth, a species of 10-foot tall aliens called Psychlos (seriously) run a mining colony on Earth after conquering the planet a thousand years ago after a war lasting just nine minutes. Humans are now reduced to stone-age tribes in irradiated wastelands, or slaves of alien masters.

I can't really say much more except it makes no sense. The Psychlos believe "man-animals" are too stupid to mine for gold, but they already employ humans as a labour force in their city.

Also, how the heck did illiterate tribesmen learn to fly Harrier attack jets in seven days without electricity or fuel?

The film is filled with the most ham-fisted exposition I've ever heard. As an audience-member, can you understand what blackmail is? Yes? Too bad! We're going to tell you anyway in 90 additional seconds of dialogue!

The Acting

John Travolta stars the scheming Psychlo security chief named Terl (seriously), trying to earn a transfer off the planet. His nemesis is the human Johnny Goodboy (seriously), played by a wooden Barry Pepper, who must lead humans to freedom.

Travolta's (and everyone else's) performance is so far over the top, he can't see all the way down. He isn't chewing the scenery, he is engorging himself upon it. Hense my favourite line in any movie anywhere:

If you ever wanted to see John Travolta in dreadlocks and a codpiece shooting the legs off a cow, this is the film for you.

Even Forest Whitacker, who's acting talent is undeniable, is wasted with nothing to do except deliver terrible dialogue.

Cinematography

A "Dutch angle" is a filming technique where the camera is tilted off the horizon to portray a scene of uneasiness or tension.

Literally the entire film is shot in this way. It looks like the DP had a stroke.

Also, there are loads of corny slo-mo shots, an over-use of wipe transitions, and most scenes are shot with an ugly, sickly purple filter.

Pacing

Battlefield Earth is all over the place. Fast-paced action set pieces are inter-cut with corny slo-mo. Thematically important scenes are not allowed to breathe, but are immediately followed by more exposition or John Travolta overacting.

Special Effects

Honestly, for 2000, the special effects aren't half bad. It all looks ugly as sin, of course. But I think this was a deliberate choice rather than technical negligence.

Summary

This film is worse than I ever thought possible and lives up to its reputation. But it's so bad, it became a joy to watch. I found myself laughing many times at the sheer absurd awfulness of this movie.

If you haven't seen Battlefield Earth, I thoroughly recommend it. I love this movie.

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No one here has played this game, so don't feel intimidated if you're new to FGC.

Hisoutensoku is a very well known indie fighter, and interestingly for a japanese game it was never released in arcades. It's very unique in it's gameplay, since it's based on a shmup series and tries to retain those systems. So whereas every character in something like Guilty Gear is a RushDown, every character in Soku is a zoner. The game also includes a universal flight mechanic, as well as a DUST-ish attack. If any of you are 2h fans you should definitely try this one out!

This is gonna be our first non-fightcade game, but thankfully you don't have to make any new accounts! It's an expansion for another game (which is where the .3 comes from) so they will need to be in the same folder.

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So the show has released, and as expected by anyone with a brain, it sucks. However it seems to have sucked more than anyone could have predicted. This might legitimately darn Bethesda lmao.

First, here is a comment from this thread explaining how they absolutely butchered world building (this show is canon btw):

So, in summary, if I understand correctly, these are the major changes:

- Shady Sands got cratered in 2277

- NCR vertibird downed on the strip

- The Strip barricades are gone

- Vault Tec seemed to have caused the Great War

- The Boneyard is no longer a thing

- Shady Sands is in place of the Boneyard

- NCR Rangers are gone

- Aradesh is no longer the founder of Shady Sands (more speculatory)

- Somehow the Brotherhood seemed to have overran the NCR in 2277

What I can't believe is that they actually retconned the original two Fallout games and that nobody won New Vegas. Even more egregious is the lore change with the BoS-NCR war, which retcons THE ENTIRETY OF F:NV. This has to be a new timeline at this point.

TL:DR is they literally retconned the 3 games they didn't make, and then replaced the factions from those games with very special factions they made from the 2 games they developed themselves. This is like a bad fanfiction lol.

People predicably, are mad. Some seethe:

Jesus. I genuinely can't believe I was actually letting myself be excited for the future of this franchise before this release. Completely retconning the original games is genuinely fricking so sad man.

When is it said aradesh is no longer the founder of shady sands?

Also when do we see the ncr vertibird crashed on the strip?

It's never said by Moldaver, but it seems to be implied that she founded Shady Sands in addition to being the remaining NCR leader. This is speculation, and it probably shouldn't be listed as an actual change.

Vertibird: https://i.imgur.com/a/5ygLxmK

So even though it's been established that Shady Sands is in an entirely different state of the new california Republic from the boneyard, they just slapped it right into los angeles, and then they nuked it, why???

What even is a Shady Sands? Has anyone else wondered why they named the first game Fallout 3 by the way? Wacky Bethesda xD

That's not a nuke crater, that's a "Borg scooped up the settlement" crater. This is dumb.

I knee it.

I just knew it.

I prayed it wasnt the case but at any opportunity they had, Bethesda tried to retcon New Vegas and now their efforts... went nuclear.

Hate it. HATE IT. HATE IT.

New Vegas is the Canon version of events. Not some Amazon show.

I fricking knew Todd would frick it over to create their version of Fallout artificially. I fricking hate it. I was fine with a scenario where the NCR loses in Vegas, but to just extensively rewrite the lore of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas to jerk off the BoS even more? Fricking dead to me.

Says you, but Bethesda owns the franchise and this is the direction they took. They entirely retconned the fallout games they did not make, and they've succeeded. Next season they'll go and show New Vegas as a dead husk bereft of anything that made it special. Enjoy!

Also, they do not care anymore. They are owned by Microsoft now and exist to make xbox and live games.

Look, I am very good at that. My Canon Star Wars are the old Comic books with sea dragons and Jaxxon the green rabbit. I literally ignored anything that came after that.

So I will need to ignore Bethesda to keep the correct Canon? Boo f#₪#^ hoo. They didnt get even a passable game out in the last 12 years!

I walked the Divide for the NCR, I can ignore Bethesda for them as well.

Haven't watched the show yet as I sail the high seas but this ending sounds very, very annoying. Seems like the show starts off well though but if what I'm seeing here is the case I'll be pretty fricking ticked that they essentially made the West the same as the East in terms of development and that they made NV mean nothing.

NV was entirely retconned. The casinos are literally husks and the city is dead. NCR died when Shady Sands (located in the wrong place) was blown up by one guy.

Christ alive 🤦🏿‍♂️. They should've atleast had some obsidian writers and lorekeepers there to keep things consistent. This is just laziness. I'm not one of those people who thinks Bethesda despises obsidian but like cmon.

It's not laziness. It was a deliberate choice.

Resetting to a status quo of “muh wasteland” absolutely is laziness

Its funny because there is a meme that Bethesda is spite driven because obsidian made a better fallout game than bethesda and the metacritic score 83, 85 thing FNV being retconned is funny knowing the meme

I hate it all.

The NCR was written out as a society entirely. The writers I guess just learned about shady sands and went 'oh its the capital so if we blow it up then the NCR will collapse.'

The NCR was such a good faction, it was the only one that actually grew, that had a familiar functioning postwar society. And what did they do? They nuked them out of existence to show off the brotherhood and a dead, empty New Vegas.

Why, why would they do this.. they could have made it right after the nuking not decades after. They pissed all over the legacy of my favourite game.

I blame Lonesome Road and Chris Avellone.

I can't hold him responsible for this, he had enough sense to know how big the NCR was and how the game world worked. That's why Ulysses wanted to destroy the Long 15 and block them from reaching the Mojave.

To me, Fallout stood apart for being a post-post-apocalyptic story. Just nuking the NCR not only strips away one of the most interesting aspects of the setting but does it, to my eyes, entirely unnecessarily. If you wanted to tell a wasteland story, you could have:

• Set it between Fallout 1 and 2, or even before Fallout 1

• Set it in one of the vast regions of America that are untouched by the games thus far

But no. Fricking why?

I knew this would happen the moment I've heard the name Todd Howard.

It really feels like they asked BETHESDA for the lore, and they said 'oh well you got the Brotherhood of Steel who have this big airship and vertibirds and huge machine guns that can only be wielded in power armor.'

then went 'oh there's this group called the NCR, I think they're from shady sands or something, you can blow them up for shock value it'll be fine. There's also this big place called New Vegas you can turn into a dump too who cares lmao.'

"heh heh heh that'll teach 'em to like obsidian's game more than ours*

Honestly I am becoming one of those people more and more by the minute, especially if their plans for New Vegas next season are what they seem to be.

somehow palpatine returned

So what did house predict then if it was vault tec who dropped the bombs. So Mr house knew the nukes where coming and still couldn't shoot them down or get the plat chip

Also it says shady shands fell in 2277 but new vegas is set in 2281 ?

I guess NV is just entirely retconned in the show? NV is dead, empty. The only places that exist are a half dozen towns outside of the city itself. The casinos are gutted entirely aside from the Lucky 38 which I guess House lives in still? He would be waking up just as the NCR was probing into NV, Caesar's Legion would be on it's way as well. Big MT is still abducting people.. The Brotherhod wouldn't have lost at Helios One but also now have infinite energy so why would they even care?

The entirity of FNV was fought over a dam, water and power.. Now the BOS has infinite clean and renewable fusion.. the NCR doesn't exist either.

So they're using the facade of 1, 2 and NV as a backdrop for more BoS shenanigans from Bethesda's mainline games.

Maaaaan

This is what I was afraid of. A good show based in world building that I think is fundamentally uninteresting.

I'm probably just gonna separate it out as its own thing in my head, no matter how canon Todd says it is.

This is what everyone paying attention was afraid of, but they got shot down as alarmist for daring to suggest the brilliant creative minds behind Starfield might provide a shite backdrop for worldbuilding.

He was in a meeting to know exactly when it would happen and was wrong.. somehow.

Did he not read the memo?

Fallout new vegas mr house : I was able to almost accurately predict a nuclear war and I have set the pieces for my rise to power after I come back online

Tv show Mr House : Shieeeeeeeet I ain't reading all that I'm just gonna pretend I read this

To everyone saying the NCR is totally collapsed.

I highly doubt it. It seems after Shady Sands was nuked the NCR was a bit scrappy but pulling itself together to keep everything afloat, with the BOS destroying the HQ and the view of the NCR leader using the Cold Fusion to power the entire city at once, it shows the civilians of the NCR are still existing at least throughout the entire ruins in some way.

I imagine next season, we're gonna see the BoS biting way more than it can Chew, and something with New Vegas as well, and with the father constantly mentioning something about "Meeting your Creators." How much you wanna bet Mr House is technically still alive? Just New Vegas went into dormancy??

Im excited to see potentially the NCR Regrouping or like Scrappy NCR rebels, and Desert Rangers in the Mojave. I highly doubt the NCR is done and over with from what we saw.

Whatever your opinions on it, retconning NV out of the timeline (which is exactly what they've done) frickin sucks.

Yeah.. But at least it isn't like a straight full on they don't even exist kind of retcon. Seems more like a soft reboot

Hello fellow spoiler fiends who went straight to the end and saw the New Vegas tease. Also, from what I gathered skipping around, the MC's father was a Vault Tec guy who nuked Shady Sands because her mother went there and was having a great time (missed a bunch of dialogue skipping through so that might not be right). The Brotherhood has cold fusion now and the guy in charge seems like a peepee so presumably they will butt up against whoever is now in charge of House's technology.

Dude wtf happened to the NCR? Didn't they say they had most of California pretty much colonized? I'm only on episode 4 but complete radio silence while it takes place near the boneyard and dayglow??

Episode 8 covers it.

It's not pretty.

About 5 years after New Vegas, Lucy's Mom left vault 33 to see if life was back on the surface, taking Lucy and her brother with her, and made her way to Shady Sands, which teleported to LA at some point. Her dad, who was a Vault-Tec executive came after them, stole the kids back, and use Vault-Tec's secret supply of nuclear weapons (The ones they launched to start the great war) to destroy the NCR, as they were a competitor to Vault-Tec.

Also, the ending credits show a destroyed New Vegas, with empty streets full of shattered Secuiritrons and a destroyed NCR Vertibird.

I also wanted to mention this specific comment, because I found it funny:

They also technically retconned FO4 since Kellogg mentions the NCR election.

Note that I'm not cherry picking comments here, basically everyone hates this garbage. Of course the critics love it, but the actual Fallout fans think it's terrible.

As one of the comments already mentioned, they really shouldn't have set this in the West Coast. They should have set it somewhere new for numerous reasons:

• New factions and threats to add a sense of tension and mystery as the viewer wouldn't know anything more than the main character

• Avoid having to retcon or step on the toes of the games

• Keep it in a region that is less advanced so you can have your apocalypse fantasy

• Set the show up as a prequel for Fallout 5, building hype for it even if it's years away.

Expect this thread to be updated as more seethe is posted, this is developing drama. In a few hours we will probably see the hitpieces from journ*lists calling the haters bigots, so keep an eye out for that.

Edit: here are more threads with tons of seethe in them:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1bt7fzx/fallout_spoiler_master_thread/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1bt7fzx/fallout_spoiler_master_thread/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c17tyn/spoilers_about_the_ncr/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c17mrr/discussion_about_the_ncr_in_the_tv_show/?sort=controversial

dear god this one is maximum cope: https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1c185mn/my_theories_for_season_2_and_possible/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1c15tey/so_does_the_show_take_place_in_an_alternate/?sort=controversial

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Leftypol.org

https://eregime.jcink.net/index.php?showforum=719

Getchan.net

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We need to have weird communist infighting for this website to be good.

Because I grew up with a progressive upringing (Traditional progressive, not "progressive") then I really believe that people should have the right to question narratives and am really big on civil liberties. I didn't feel comfortable in the transgender community because I believe in a worldview based on rationality, and I believe that people should have the right to question views and be willing to change them when subjected to evidence that goes against their views. Questioning gender ideology is okay. Being neurodivergent and not fitting into a box, I don't believe in forcing people into a box, including a political box.

I criticize those on the right a lot, not because I don't believe that they have the right to question, but because they aren't questioning. Their views are often based on ignorance and they refuse to be willing to change them, even creating a hugbox by filtering out information that makes them question and makes them uncomfortable. I hate hugboxes, discourse should make people uncomfortable, and I'm not a fan of ignorance on either the right or left. There is a difference between discourse and spamming "You will never be a woman" over and over and over again. One involves a back and forth, the other is neurodivergent screeching to filter out discourse that makes you question your own views. There is very little difference between the chuds and wokies, both are easily triggered, need safe spaces, and try to censor views which make them question. I fricking hate censorship. Accusing someone and throwing around accusations of pedophilia without evidence because you are triggered is a way to censor and shut down views that make you uncomfortable.

I now tell people I'm "more center", but honestly, I still identify as progressive to myself in terms of it's historical connotation, because I believe in a worldview based on rationality and evidence.

I definitely respect Daryl Davis, the black man who converted members of the KKK by befriending them and showing them tolerance, it's hard but I try to follow him as an example, because the best way to handle hatred is by viewing it as a result of ignorance, and with tolerance, which is my view about the paradox of intolerance. A lot of anti-transgender views and perspectives are from people who have never met a transgender person, and will never likely meet one in their life. Their experience of transgender people is from the internet. It's based on ignorance. If someone handles ignorance by screaming at someone instead of having a respectful discourse, then you're just going to shape their world view and alienate them entirely. I know I'm often sarcastic online, but I do get kind of annoyed by the political discourse and ignorance. In real life I'm respectful, polite and not argumentative, I think I just like debating. I like being exposed to new perspectives different than my own if they aren't completely r-slurred, and they have thought about them instead of following the herd and I look for my views to be changed, but the thing is that he challenged their views, but it did it with tolerance. He didn't adopt their world view, he befriended them and made them question.

Censorship of thought and trying to prevent people from the freedom to question, drives people into extremism, because we all have an unconditional drive to be free.

Just a little over 1 year ago today, Zoe Barrie aka Seasoning Mommy came into our lives and changed the face of white people food vs black pipo food forever. Since the birth of our savoury saviour, many of us who just assumed that yes... black people are indeed good cooks and know their way around a kitchen have had our eyes opened to the truth!

Here's a short history of this story and what came after:

1. How it all began:

2. The aftermath:

"Article" from Buzzfeed

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rossyoder/seasoning-police-viral-tiktok-explained

Kween sneeds:

3. Black people wash their chicken...

https://tiktok.com/@nytcooking/video/7341491798797258026

https://tiktok.com/@pilars.place/video/7074569691712228651

4. For funnsies :

Seasoning Police is now a racial slur:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/11zi19c/new_discourse_seasoning_police_is_a_racial_slur/?sort=controversial

TheRightCantMeme takes the bait:

https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/122n327/what/?sort=controversial

I've had a lot of time lately to sit in my goddarn wheelchair watching random movies and I know my opinions on them are important to you because I'm an important person.

The Time Machine

The version from the 1950s. This is a classic where everything came together just right. Notably they knew exactly what special effects they had the technology to pull off, so it still holds up today better than Marvel capeshit.

The Best of Everything

Foids working for a publishing company in 1950s NYC engage in foid nonsense, slutting around and then wondering why everything goes wrong in their lives. I couldn't quite tell if it was meant to be a cautionary tale or if women already were unable to accept personal responsibility back then.

The Prisoner of Zenda

A guy is mistaken for the nearly identical prince of a Balkan shithole c. 1900 and is caught up in intrigue. I saw the 1950s color version, which is apparently supposed to be inferior to the earlier one. Whatevs. I thought it was pretty good and James Mason was great at being a massive butthole.

Le Samourai

A hitman in 1960s Paris runs into film noir complications. Melville knew how to make an American-style movie better than Americans. And it's always nice to see France in that era. My dad loved watching French movies in boomer times so it feels comfy.

The Naked Prey

Africa, 1890s. A white guy gets captured, stripped naked, and told to start running. Guys with spears chase after him. A great movie if you like watching sweaty shirtless guys. Pretty good pacing.

Raging Grace

A Filipina illegal immigrant works as a maid for a dying old man while trying to take care of her own daughter. Increasingly ominous things happen. I quit this halfway through because I can't take watching something where kids are possibly in danger. It just makes me have anxiety and feel unpleasant.

Las Vegas: The Story of Sin City

CNN documentary series about the history of Las Vegas. It has interviews with lots of people who worked there as entertainers and gives you some interesting perspectives of what it's like being on the fringes of mafia shit but not really a part of it.

Collateral

Made by Michael Mann when he was still good. A hitman (Tom Cruise) forces a cab driver to give him a few rides. Not much to say except it's really good.

Arrival

Linguist tries to communicate with mysterious aliens. I give it points for actually making the aliens be alien. But the story moves at a glacial pace up until the ending, which I wasn't terribly impressed by. Also suffers from some idiot plotting where everyone besides the heroine seems heck bent on fricking things up.

The Abyss

Made by James Cameron when he was still good. Civilians team up with SEALs to rescue the crew of a sunken nuclear submarine. It's a bit too obvious who the villain is, especially if you know James Cameron. But there's a wild and unexpected surprise ending. If the woman ever ended up in a wet t-shirt I must have tragically missed it.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Tina Fey is a reporter in Afghanistan. Based on a true story. I found her charming and relatable. The movie is entertaining enough and actually something real, not just what some empowered white woman imagines she would be like in a war zone.

Smokin' Aces

A silly action movie about hit men who are competing to kidnap a mobster. Sometimes it's too silly and sometimes it takes itself too seriously, but it's pretty good for what it is.

Heist 88

Based on the true story of a plot to steal vast amounts of money through fraudulent wire transfers in 1988. It's somewhat interesting to see how that stuff worked back then, but like with many true stories there just isn't 2 hours worth of material.

Breaking

Not the documentary about break dancing. Another true story. A disabled veteran goes into a bank and takes hostages, threatening to set off a bomb unless the VA gets his shit unfricked. Like the above, I think there's just not enough story so it's slow moving and repetitive. It would need a really good actor to pull it off and these days we don't have Denzel, we have John Boyega.

Nick of Time

An ordinary guy's daughter is kidnapped to blackmail him into assassinating a politician. We've all seen this concept a million times but it's well executed here. The villians are very hateable and Johnny Depp looks immaculately 1995.

Edge of Darkness

Mel Gibson is a detective who has to avenge his daughter's murder. It's pretty dumb and predictable, especially if you know the story of Karen Silkwood which it's obviously based on. Spoiler: The evil corporation turns out to be evil.

13 Hours

The US consulate in Benghazi is overrun by Islamists. I actually learned a lot from this. Media accounts at the time made it sound like it was a much smaller event than it really was. They got away with it because somehow in all the Republicans' furious ranting about Killary they never bothered to just explain wtf happened.

TSMC Takes on Arizona needs to be a documentary

"U.S. engineers told Rest of World that some Taiwanese male engineers had calendars with bikini models on their desks and occasionally shared sexual memes in group chats.

A female American colleague, according to an American… pic.twitter.com/Vf2yceE4sO

— Jordan Schneider (@jordanschnyc) April 23, 2024

Full story.

https://restofworld.org/2024/tsmc-arizona-expansion/

I’m sorry? What? @metpoliceuk

You are gaslighting Jews, telling us if we report on the prejudice your force holds against that we are the ones “making a further dent”

The guy was told if he stayed there he’d be arrested, when asked why, your officer basically said because… https://t.co/pTLc5hVU2U

— Kosher🎗🧡 (@KosherCockney) April 19, 2024

Original post: https://rdrama.net/h/sandshit/post/262608/marseybongcoplaser-oi-you-got-a-loicense

Deleted apology:

New apology for the apology:

Various sneeding:

https://twitter.com/leekern13/status/1781348219840045351

https://twitter.com/claire88424030/status/1781370948869910645

https://twitter.com/nicolelampert/status/1781398231118717150

Rightoids making hay:

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1781412930677817779

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1781375302091849923

Actually important people (in Bong terms):

https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1781406960870416745

https://twitter.com/markjenkinsonmp/status/1781071114464092325

Reddit threads:

Post-apology:

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1c847cj/met_police_earlier_we_posted_a_statement_about_a/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1c88wgb/met_police_apologises_for_openly_jewish_comment/?sort=controversial (warming up)

Pre-apology:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/1c7i0g8/met_police_officer_says_that_it_is_unsafe_to_be/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/1c806kg/shocking_moment_met_police_officer_threatens_to/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1c7pmx4/shocking_moment_police_officer_threatens_to/?sort=controversial

EXCLUSIVE: Katherine Maher says that she abandoned a "free and open" internet as the mission of Wikipedia, because those principles recapitulated a "white male Westernized construct" and "did not end up living into the intentionality of what openness can be." pic.twitter.com/Ved9mgGvJH

— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) April 18, 2024

the elephant in the room https://t.co/HYoGBhqWuL pic.twitter.com/LKkYgaczib

— Alto-kun (@altoraiser) April 6, 2024

Because Japan is one of the few bastions from a specific menace that wishes to claim control.

(https://twitter.com/hikki_666/status/1776753789279535302)

Two seconds on Google. You're welcome.

The reason is not morality it's undermining your competition

because jews cannot control art or create them

and so are extremely jealous of it

Because the people who own the payment processors are the same people who own western porn companies. They don't own the eastern.

It's the jews. I'll say it. They don't like a market they don't control.

One problem 👃

You can't have a nice group of slaves that support your wars if all they want to do is draw sexy stuff. Plus, real porn can't compete against fictional porn and by extension s*x dolls or any toys. A brothel of s*x dolls got shot down a long time ago for this reason.

Western Porn are Jewish business. No one can get in the way of a jew and their money

Check who owns the western porn sites and you'll start noticing.

Because the powers-at-be want the "real deal". They want to harm and corrupt actual people.

Bruh it's so over for rightoids, millions must die